Racism / Stereotype / Bigotry

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Racism:
noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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I could never fully understand Racism. The idea of taking an entire group of people and to pass negative judgement on them seems so odd being that any group of people is made up by INDIVIDUALS. As for racial superiority ... it seems like it depends on the time and the location. To actually think that one's race is more superior to another just blows me away! In history, we have seen people attempt to use scientific means to justify this type of ideology but it always seem to die out with contradictions. Of course, one of the most memorable was Nazi Germany and their attempts to show scientific differences between the "Aryan" and the "Jew."

Unfortunately, racism is still something that lives today and can be found in any race. As a Caucasian male, I have never been the victim of direct racism, therefore, I don't know how horrible it would be to be a victim of direct racism. Fortunately, there are good books, movies, TV shows and friends with experience of such that give good insight and information on what such a life is like. From these, we learn how terrible racism is and how idiotic the racist mind is.
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Bigotry:
noun, plural -ries. 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.
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Now this one I think is more appropriate for many people. "I have been raised to think or believe this way, therefore whatever you think must be garbage!" Personally, I think this type of thinking is dangerous and what is the main cause of the drift that seems to be growing within the United States. It exists in every political, religious and social group that has/does exist. We see it from both the left side ("Oh, you are a Republican ... you must be a rich, white and racist individual who believes in nothing but fascism!") and from the right side (Oh, you are a Democrat ... you must be one of those "poor me" minorities that only want free hand-outs and not work a day in your life!") These overgeneralizations are seen over and over again and they really show not only a lack of awareness but also disrespect without due cause. Do these statements reflect correctly ever? Sure ... if you take out the "Republican" or "Democrat" and replace it with "You."

It's easy to fall victim of this trait! I have had bigoted beliefs in the past where I felt that all Christians were annoying, better-than-thou people who were intolerant of everything that was outside of the Christian faith. Then it dawned on me ... I was EXACTLY what I was claiming Christians to be. Not only that, but I was amazed on how many people I was friends with that were Christian. So again, it isn't Christianity that I was so angry towards ... it was the individual who has this type of characteristics. Not EVERY Christian is this way ... just how not EVERY Muslim calls for death on the entire world or that EVERY Atheist wants to see Religion dismantled.
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Stereotype:
A stereotype is a popular belief about specific types of individuals. The concepts of "stereotype" and "prejudice" are often confused with many other different meanings. Stereotypes are standardized and simplified conceptions of people based on some prior assumptions. Another name for stereotyping is bias. A bias is a tendency, most of these are good like knowing to eat food instead of paper clips, but sometimes stereotyping can turn into discrimination if we misinterpret a bias and act upon it in a negative manner. (Wikipedia)

Now here comes a VERY difficult one. Stereotyping is probably something that I think every single Human is guilty of. It is SOOO easy to do. Now, is it always a negative thing? This is where things get a bit more complicated. Sometimes I think it is ... sometimes I think it is simply natural ... like a survival instinct. This is where I think people tend to start getting confused on the whole differences between all of these.

How many times have we looked at someone and thought, "I have him/her figured out!" Based on skin color, clothing, tattoos, hair style ... and the like? Or the combination of such. I remember working at a place where there were monitors showing the front area where customers would come in and wait at the front counter. There was a bus stop just outside of the entrance where people would sometimes come in and wait for the bus inside (away from the weather). Now ... when a little old white lady would come in, who was dressed "commonly" there would be very little attention drawn towards her. HOWEVER, when a young black male would come in, wearing a hoodie ... then it seemed if all eyes were on the monitor as to make sure "this guy was not up to trouble." Was this racism? Was this stereotyping? I would think the latter since I found myself doing the same thing. Say the black male wore a suit and tie and was well into adulthood ... would there have been that much attention on the monitors ... probably not. This is where stereotyping causes such divide and problems, I think. Was there really a "good" reason to watch this young guy in the monitors? Was he really a threat? Nope. It was just the brain reacting from FEAR. Fear that "this person fits the stereotype of someone who causes trouble.


So what do you all think? Have any good stories of being racist or being a victim of one? Know anyone who has? What about bigotry? What about stereotyping? Generally a good thing or bad? .... or does it matter on the situation?
 
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I guess it's probably because I was raised in a bigot's paradise in rural Louisiana, and realized how ugly it really was at a pretty early age, any time I hear someone making unfair generalizations it's like fingernails on a chalkboard for me. It takes a real effort of will to resist calling someone on it immediately.
 

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Oh yeh, stories. Here's two quick ones.

Our little town finally gave in to integration when I entered the 4th grade (I think that made it 1971-72). My momma told me not to judge people based on color, which sounded kinda weird to me, since I played with the n*gger kids in the summer. It had never occurred to me until that year that I never saw them at school. Anyway I was trying to make friends with this other kid and saw this little black plastic fist (obviously the handle end of something) poking out of his back pocket. I asked him if that was a knife. He looked at me funny and pulled out his hair pick.
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It was the first time I realized that I used a stereotype with no more reason than his look. I was truly ashamed of myself and was hyper-sensitive about it ever since.

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When I was a senior in high school I lived in a children's home with about 110 other foster kids. One was my best friend Keith. Keith was black, dark black. He was into sports and I was in the band so we never hung out at school, only at home. One weekend we went to the movies (a very rare event) then went to a dry bar - that's a bar that doesn't serve alcohol - to play some pool. It couldn't have been more than 30 seconds after we entered the place that a guy from school walked straight up to us and said "Y'all ain't welcome here." To my credit, I had no clue why he would say such a thing. To Keith's credit, he understood exactly. "That's cool. Let's go." Keith pulled me backward. As I turned I noticed that there were a bunch of guys standing around holding pool cues. We left and never looked back ... and never went back.
 

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Oh yeh, stories. Here's two quick ones.

Our little town finally gave in to integration when I entered the 4th grade (I think that made it 1971-72). My momma told me not to judge people based on color, which sounded kinda weird to me, since I played with the n*gger kids in the summer. It had never occurred to me until that year that I never saw them at school. Anyway I was trying to make friends with this other kid and saw this little black plastic fist (obviously the handle end of something) poking out of his back pocket. I asked him if that was a knife. He looked at me funny and pulled out his hair pick.
120px-Afro-pick.jpg
It was the first time I realized that I used a stereotype with no more reason than his look. I was truly ashamed of myself and was hyper-sensitive about it ever since.

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When I was a senior in high school I lived in a children's home with about 110 other foster kids. One was my best friend Keith. Keith was black, dark black. He was into sports and I was in the band so we never hung out at school, only at home. One weekend we went to the movies (a very rare event) then went to a dry bar - that's a bar that doesn't serve alcohol - to play some pool. It couldn't have been more than 30 seconds after we entered the place that a guy from school walked straight up to us and said "Y'all ain't welcome here." To my credit, I had no clue why he would say such a thing. To Keith's credit, he understood exactly. "That's cool. Let's go." Keith pulled me backward. As I turned I noticed that there were a bunch of guys standing around holding pool cues. We left and never looked back ... and never went back.

That's crazy.

That first part about the hair pick ... that is exactly what struck me. It was like, "Wow ... I am totally doing what I think sucks!"

The second part ... now that sounds like pure racism. All they saw was "dark kid" ... nothing else. Sad.
 

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Oh yeh, stories. Here's two quick ones.

Our little town finally gave in to integration when I entered the 4th grade (I think that made it 1971-72). My momma told me not to judge people based on color, which sounded kinda weird to me, since I played with the n*gger kids in the summer. It had never occurred to me until that year that I never saw them at school. Anyway I was trying to make friends with this other kid and saw this little black plastic fist (obviously the handle end of something) poking out of his back pocket. I asked him if that was a knife. He looked at me funny and pulled out his hair pick.
120px-Afro-pick.jpg
It was the first time I realized that I used a stereotype with no more reason than his look. I was truly ashamed of myself and was hyper-sensitive about it ever since.

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When I was a senior in high school I lived in a children's home with about 110 other foster kids. One was my best friend Keith. Keith was black, dark black. He was into sports and I was in the band so we never hung out at school, only at home. One weekend we went to the movies (a very rare event) then went to a dry bar - that's a bar that doesn't serve alcohol - to play some pool. It couldn't have been more than 30 seconds after we entered the place that a guy from school walked straight up to us and said "Y'all ain't welcome here." To my credit, I had no clue why he would say such a thing. To Keith's credit, he understood exactly. "That's cool. Let's go." Keith pulled me backward. As I turned I noticed that there were a bunch of guys standing around holding pool cues. We left and never looked back ... and never went back.



ACC - Thanks for posting that. I'll weigh in with a story or two tomorrow. Past my bedtime now.
 

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I know I've read before now that as much as we might try to not judge people on their appearance and stereotype them, it's a very basic part of human nature to do so. Something to do with it being a survival thing - you have to make snap judgements on how people appear, even if you don't say or do anything about it, because it could help you recognise someone as dangerous or intimidating.


And really, stereotypes aren't always wildly inaccurate, are they? They don't arise in the first place because they're grossly inaccurate - they're not going to apply to everyone, but I think there's a grain of truth in most.


Bearing in mind, I also don't think 'a stereotype' has to mean a negative association. We also stereotype people as having good qualities after all.
 

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Thanks Acc - interesting to read. So you were in a kinda 'glee' club? :)

Racism/bigotry. I've encountered this quite a few times because of the colour of my skin.

I think the worst was a year or so after leaving school, myself and a friend (caucasian) were walking in town and we happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. We were across the road from a pub and about four or five biker types with their GFs came out clad in leather (I guess 'biker type' could be stereotyping ;)). Anyway they swore at us but I guess it was me as they were saying "f**k*n paki" and ran after us.

I was a bit slower than my friend and they cornered me and set about me with pool/snooker cues. I felt dazed for a few moments but was ok. One of the girls gave me some money for a bus fare home but then took it back when I seemed to be less dazed.

Fun times. I've not had anything but verbal abuse since then though. That was well over 20 years ago.
 

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Thanks Acc - interesting to read. So you were in a kinda 'glee' club? :)
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Marching band. I played the trombone. Those stories? About band camp? They're all true! :D

I know I've read before now that as much as we might try to not judge people on their appearance and stereotype them, it's a very basic part of human nature to do so. Something to do with it being a survival thing - you have to make snap judgements on how people appear, even if you don't say or do anything about it, because it could help you recognise someone as dangerous or intimidating.

And really, stereotypes aren't always wildly inaccurate, are they? They don't arise in the first place because they're grossly inaccurate - they're not going to apply to everyone, but I think there's a grain of truth in most.

Bearing in mind, I also don't think 'a stereotype' has to mean a negative association. We also stereotype people as having good qualities after all.
Here's an explanation I use with my students:

Our brains are very sophisticated computers. We have a database to help us make fast judgments - about people, places, situations - on whether they are safe or dangerous. Most good databases have default entries in most of the fields to save time. The default entries are based on past experiences, things we've read or seen, or information from other people such as our parents, friends, teachers, etc. Some people freak out about snakes, for instance, while others have no problem approaching one to investigate whether it is safe. The information they've gained is different so their default entries are different.

It's very normal and natural when you encounter a new person, place, or situation for your brain to fill the new entry's fields with default information. (This guy's tall, he must play basketball. She wears thick glasses; she probably likes to read, which means she's smart.) In normal, non-emergency situations, it is your responsibility to recognize what is a default entry and what is verified information for that individual. The harm comes when you become too lazy to verify a default before basing a negative judgment on someone. This is what stereotyping is - assuming that all people in that general category fit your default entries. Be careful that you don't become so lazy that you judge based on category rather than the individual. Challenge your defaults, and don't be afraid to change them when you find they don't really fit reality.
 

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When I was at my first job, I was stereotyped as some dumb lazy teenager by customers. One customer who was buying a newspaper was commenting on the headline or something and then looks at me and says " You probably have no idea what I'm talking about right?" " Uh, no that's not it, I just want you to shut up and pay for your shit."
 

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There was a great deal of ethnic tension in my high school, with a high Albanian and black population...I can't tell you how many times I'd just be standing there in the french fry line with a group of black girls and hear "you fucking staring at me, white bitch?"

Mind you I was in high school how I have always been, sort of mild mannered, band geek, smart ass but I usually looked at the floor or zoned out so constantly being harassed was odd to me.

We also knew better than to ever look at the Albanian cliques in the hallways because very little set them off into a fighting rampage and you'd be suspended in a hurry.

Just crazy. I don't get it.

But now, I admittedly hold some stereotypes because my neighborhood has changed a lot, from mostly old white widows planting daisies with their shih tzus to bands of 10-20 black teenagers impeding the roads in my sub at any given time. It seems rude, the kids will stand there unmovable...you have to literally get up on their ass and nearly hit them to pass, and they'll just stare at you blankly without any fear. My brain can act like I've never seen anything so rude.

But I grew up in a predominantly white trailer park, rough stuff, my peers were molested by neighbors, doing drugs by 12, etc...I'm be a complete liar if I didn't say I saw bands of 10-15 white teenagers impeding traffic in a similar manner.
 

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I was lucky, I guess. I don't come from a background where bigotry was practiced.
Don't get me wrong, I have some pretty bigoted family members, but they're all over in Ireland. My dad grew up with that shit and left and never came back. As such, I was privileged enough to have it instilled in me that someones religion, colour, politics, lifestyle etc, really didn't matter.
It would be extremely difficult, I think, for me to live my life, doing my work and my studies, if I was bigoted.
 

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Well that makes me remember how bigoted my parents are heh...I grew up knowing all the racial slurs (hell I think my dad makes some up), and my parents still use them to this day despite my lectures. I never thought it was right, though, not sure where I learned to think it but I'm glad.
 

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my parents as well
heard them all
school was teaching me to not be racial
home was teaching me what is racial
I had mixed skin friends and didnt care the difference but the parents of some of them
did not want me coming over because I was white

thanks parents (sarcasm)
 

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I'm from a pretty rural backwoods area myself, so I've seen it all. It's funny, because that's how I thought everyplace was. The county I go to school/work in is two counties away, and is very suburban....huge difference. It really opens your eyes, and I'm glad I was raised in the area I was.
 

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Thanks Acc - interesting to read. So you were in a kinda 'glee' club? :)

Racism/bigotry. I've encountered this quite a few times because of the colour of my skin.

I think the worst was a year or so after leaving school, myself and a friend (caucasian) were walking in town and we happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. We were across the road from a pub and about four or five biker types with their GFs came out clad in leather (I guess 'biker type' could be stereotyping ;)). Anyway they swore at us but I guess it was me as they were saying "f**k*n paki" and ran after us.

I was a bit slower than my friend and they cornered me and set about me with pool/snooker cues. I felt dazed for a few moments but was ok. One of the girls gave me some money for a bus fare home but then took it back when I seemed to be less dazed.

Fun times. I've not had anything but verbal abuse since then though. That was well over 20 years ago.

do you find that things have changed alot since?

i remember the late 70's when i used to go on rock against racism marches,bob marley was just a jamaican bloke who did awesome music(he wasn't a colour he was bob) and i beasted a lad for calling a woman a paki

i must say though that where this country has changed alot,other places haven't..like the jamaican i know is the most racist person i know
 
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