Pro Life Liscense plates

[canidae]

How does advocating a pro-life stance resemble making a law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof?

It seems that today's society has taken a simple phrase saying that the gov't won't dictate religious practice and morphed it to say that gov't can't support anything that religious people like.

If you take the separation of church and state to mean government and religious entities are to be kept separate, and then stereotype a pro-life stance as being solely the property of religious organizations, then it would seem the "state"; that which allows the pro-life tags to be made and used, is advocating an anti-abortion/religious position, thus a lack of separation between a religious doctrine and the gov't.

However, if you read the next line I wrote, you can see I realized the error of my faulty logic, as it its obvious you don't have to be religious, involved with the church, etc. to have a pro-life stance.

To sum up: Me's a fooking idiot!!! :24:

 

[All Else Failed]

Definitely not appropriate. I wouldn't mind seeing a plate advocating foster care or adoption, though.

Gotta agree with you about Perry, too. :yuk

How do you figure that?


I absolutely agree. This isn't, but I agree with your statement.

its legislating morality by the local government taking a stance on a moral issue.

 

[Accountable]

If you take the separation of church and state to mean government and religious entities are to be kept separate, and then stereotype a pro-life stance as being solely the property of religious organizations, then it would seem the "state"; that which allows the pro-life tags to be made and used, is advocating an anti-abortion/religious position, thus a lack of separation between a religious doctrine and the gov't.

However, if you read the next line I wrote, you can see I realized the error of my faulty logic, as it its obvious you don't have to be religious, involved with the church, etc. to have a pro-life stance.

To sum up: Me's a fooking idiot!!! :24:

:24:I think you've found the perfect av!

 

[Accountable]

its legislating morality by the local government taking a stance on a moral issue.

Advocating isn't legislating. Legislating is making law. Still, we're on the same side of this point, I think.

 

[lumpenstein]

so then you are in favor of abolishing Canadian Parliament

LOL haven't you heard? It abolished itself! :24:

 

[Peter Parka]

So a bunch of people are against murdering babies and want to show that by putting it on their number plates? Sorry if I've missed something here but I really dont see what the problem is with this. I have a problem with people murdering babies and dont see what is so offensive about that. Anyway, isn't the USA supposed to be the utopia of free speech or something? (As long as you aint Commie, lol)

 

[SouthOfHeaven]

like Evan says though if you are for or against it BUY THE PLATE COVER. it really shouldn't be the option to buy the plate stating it..

 

[Makedde]

So a bunch of people are against murdering babies and want to show that by putting it on their number plates? Sorry if I've missed something here but I really dont see what the problem is with this. I have a problem with people murdering babies and dont see what is so offensive about that. Anyway, isn't the USA supposed to be the utopia of free speech or something? (As long as you aint Commie, lol)

I can see we will have words over this subject should it ever arise...:cool

I am very much pro choice, but I think that something as private as one's opinion on abortion should be kept just that - private, and not broadcast to the world. I wouldn't even like someone driving around with a pro choice licenceplate. Abortion is a very personal issue, and a very emotive one at that. It should be kept to yourself. People get very emotional, pro lifers are angered by pro choicers, choicers are angered by lifers. I would worry that by broadcasting your views, you could create a scene.

 

[satinbutterfly]

not trying to make this all about abortion but I am sick of this fucking issue being an issue. Why can not the anti abortion crowd worry about their own and let everybody else do what they want in the quiet of their own lives. Seeing how it it is none of their damn business to begin with

:homo:

 

[SgtSpike]

not trying to make this all about abortion but I am sick of this fucking issue being an issue. Why can not the anti abortion crowd worry about their own and let everybody else do what they want in the quiet of their own lives. Seeing how it it is none of their damn business to begin with

If there was mass genocide going on in America (in the millions of people), would you just sit back and do nothing? To pro-lifer's, abortion IS mass genocide. And we cannot just stand by and do nothing while millions of babies are murdered. That is why this issue will continue to be an issue.

I get your point about everyone should mind their own business, but you cannot take that stance for everything. You cannot take that stance if someone murders their own children (born) so why take that stance for murder of unborn children?

How does advocating a pro-life stance resemble making a law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof?

It seems that today's society has taken a simple phrase saying that the gov't won't dictate religious practice and morphed it to say that gov't can't support anything that religious people like.

Oh so true...

BTW, my opinion on this is that states should only have license plates for non-controversial items, such as a picture of a tree (for Oregon). The preservation of wildlife shouldn't be an option, nor should the pro-life license plates. But, if states insist on preservation of wildlife plates, then an equal opportunity should be given for other controversial issues, such as pro-life and anti-life.

 

[Peter Parka]

I can see we will have words over this subject should it ever arise...:cool

I am very much pro choice, but I think that something as private as one's opinion on abortion should be kept just that - private, and not broadcast to the world. I wouldn't even like someone driving around with a pro choice licenceplate. Abortion is a very personal issue, and a very emotive one at that. It should be kept to yourself. People get very emotional, pro lifers are angered by pro choicers, choicers are angered by lifers. I would worry that by broadcasting your views, you could create a scene.

So I take it you dont see free speech as such a great thing then?

 

[Accountable]

So I take it you dont see free speech as such a great thing then?

Not providing a specific type license place doesn't effect free speech.

 

[Makedde]

So I take it you dont see free speech as such a great thing then?

If that free speech could lead to you becoming a target of violence from those who disagree, then certain views should be kept private, and only announced when necessary, like when campaigning for a change in law, for example.

 

[SgtSpike]

If that free speech could lead to you becoming a target of violence from those who disagree, then certain views should be kept private, and only announced when necessary, like when campaigning for a change in law, for example.

But shouldn't it be your own decision to decide when and where, not the governments? It sounds like you'd like the government to make any words that would potentially cause violence to be outlawed.... that's about as anti-free speech as you can get!

 

[Peter Parka]

If that free speech could lead to you becoming a target of violence from those who disagree, then certain views should be kept private, and only announced when necessary, like when campaigning for a change in law, for example.

Its about personal resonsibility. I personally thing abortion is murder. I respect peoples opinion to voice otherwise. Surely pysically attacking someone for their views is your problem, if it's crap, no one will take a blind bit of notice anyway.

 

[Makedde]

But shouldn't it be your own decision to decide when and where, not the governments? It sounds like you'd like the government to make any words that would potentially cause violence to be outlawed.... that's about as anti-free speech as you can get!

If someone were to go into a busy mall and start speaking about their hatred of blacks, what would the reaction be? Freedom of speech to say racist things, but not many people are just going to shrug their shoulders and walk on by when someone is insulting them.
Same with lifer licence plates. It's not just lifer plates I don't like the sound of, it's choice plates, too. Abortion is an emotive issue, and it should be kept private.

 

[Peter Parka]

If someone were to go into a busy mall and start speaking about their hatred of blacks, what would the reaction be? Freedom of speech to say racist things, but not many people are just going to shrug their shoulders and walk on by when someone is insulting them.
Same with lifer licence plates. It's not just lifer plates I don't like the sound of, it's choice plates, too. Abortion is an emotive issue, and it should be kept private.

So where do you draw the line at free speech then? It's not ok to voice your opinion on abortion? How about political parties in general elections then? Why is that any better, sparks up a lot of heat, no? If you're too careful about not offending anyone, you end up with a dictatorship, I dont think any of us would like that.

 

[Makedde]

So where do you draw the line at free speech then? It's not ok to voice your opinion on abortion? How about political parties in general elections then? Why is that any better, sparks up a lot of heat, no? If you're too careful about not offending anyone, you end up with a dictatorship, I dont think any of us would like that.

Political parties are different because that is the time and place to voice your opinion. Freedom of speech is fine, I have nothing against it, but when that free speech may come across in such a way to incite violence (lets face it, anyone who gets up and rants about black people is going to get their arse kicked) then there is a problem.

 

[Accountable]

But shouldn't it be your own decision to decide when and where, not the governments? It sounds like you'd like the government to make any words that would potentially cause violence to be outlawed.... that's about as anti-free speech as you can get!

Not providing a specific type license place doesn't effect free speech.

 

[Peter Parka]

Political parties are different because that is the time and place to voice your opinion. Freedom of speech is fine, I have nothing against it, but when that free speech may come across in such a way to incite violence (lets face it, anyone who gets up and rants about black people is going to get their arse kicked) then there is a problem.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that people put these things on their number plates because they want to start a riot?