Power to all

[FreightTrain]

"Give all the power to the many, and they will oppress the few. Give all the power to the few, and they will oppress the many. Both therefore ought to have power, that each may defend itself against the other." -Alexander Hamilton
The first US Secretary of the Treasury knew what he was talking about. Too bad places like China, Korea, and the Middle East can't follow this concept.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

How about no one have power.

 

[edgray]

"Give all the power to the many, and they will oppress the few. Give all the power to the few, and they will oppress the many. Both therefore ought to have power, that each may defend itself against the other." -Alexander Hamilton
The first US Secretary of the Treasury knew what he was talking about. Too bad places like China, Korea, and the Middle East can't follow this concept.

why bother mentioning China, Korea etc? Do you not see how that describes the western model perfectly too?

 

[BornReady]

Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. -- Lord Acton

 

[itsmeJonB]

Absolute Power corrupts absolutely -Tech N9ne

Lol

 

[Xeno]

"Give all the power to the many, and they will oppress the few. Give all the power to the few, and they will oppress the many. Both therefore ought to have power, that each may defend itself against the other." -Alexander Hamilton
The first US Secretary of the Treasury knew what he was talking about. Too bad places like China, Korea, and the Middle East can't follow this concept.

Perhaps Alexander Hamilton should have accepted the "concept" that no one needs power whatsoever. Allow mankind to be free and have absolute "power" over themselves. There is no one or certain "concept" that other nations, including our own, should follow in a sense. We should just follow the "concepts" of compassion, forgiveness, equality, freedom, and acceptance so long as it does not hurt nor harm the individual in any way, shape, or form. These "concepts" I speak of are merely common sense laws within ourselves and need not be written on a piece of paper at all. I believe our nation has "concepts" in which we can share at times, but the same goes both ways. There are "concepts" in which we can learn from as well. Then again, these are merely my own thoughts as usual.

 

[FreightTrain]

Perhaps Alexander Hamilton should have accepted the "concept" that no one needs power whatsoever. Allow mankind to be free and have absolute "power" over themselves. There is no one or certain "concept" that other nations, including our own, should follow in a sense. We should just follow the "concepts" of compassion, forgiveness, equality, freedom, and acceptance so long as it does not hurt nor harm the individual in any way, shape, or form. These "concepts" I speak of are merely common sense laws within ourselves and need not be written on a piece of paper at all. I believe our nation has "concepts" in which we can share at times, but the same goes both ways. There are "concepts" in which we can learn from as well. Then again, these are merely my own thoughts as usual.

Compassion, forgiveness, equality, freedom, and acceptance are all great concepts for individuals, but not likely to ever exist in the political realm. Maybe one or two of them, but no country's leader will be able to possess ALL of those things.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

So then let's get rid of the political realm

 

[FreightTrain]

Can't argue with that!

 

[Xeno]

Compassion, forgiveness, equality, freedom, and acceptance are all great concepts for individuals, but not likely to ever exist in the political realm. Maybe one or two of them, but no country's leader will be able to possess ALL of those things.

That is why no one individual or collection of people are capable of having absolute "power" in this world. When one has absolute "power" then they do not lack any of those "concepts" whatsoever. Absolute "Power" tends to mean you have it all. So no one with absolute "power" could lack these basic traits. This is why Alexander Hamilton's concept does not work for our nation as well as other nations. Not even the innocent individual can always have compassion, forgiveness, equality, freedom, or acceptance. The same goes for the corrupt as well. Dividing the "power" would do nothing and leave us where we are nowadays. At war with one another of this "power" that already exists within our own hearts. We just seem to not accept that "concept". The moment we look within ourselves for that "power" is the day we no longer need to defend ourselves from one another. Instead, we shall use it to form a bond that is unbreakable and that shall teach the future generations of the common sense laws which I have mentioned. Though these thoughts and ideals of mine might "not ever" exist within the Political Realm, one must venture back into the past and remember how many times we were told that certain things in life were impossible. Yet, in this day and age, we have proven to rise above most of what seemed to be impossible. We, the people of this nation and other nations, are in control of what can be done. However, we must unite in order to ever see the impossible...possible. Again, it is merely an opinion of one individual whom believes in the hearts of mankind.

 

[BornReady]

So then let's get rid of the political realm

Anarchy sounds great in theory but I wonder if it would work in practice. There have been and still are some anarchist societies but they are always small. Would anarchy work on a large scale?

 

[porterjack]

women have power

and most of them know it

fine by me

 

[HK]

I think people like to have a leader. What we don't like it being born into a world where the leader already exists and we don't get a real, positive impact on whether they stay leader or whether we can adjust to fit new circumstances/generations. It's hard to feel good about the people in power when you have no real allegiance to them.

 

[Zorak]

Too much doesn't get done when politicians sit around argueing.

Peter the Great transformed Russia because he had absolute power, and didn't have to sit around debating pro's and con's with groups of nobodies.

 

[HK]

Peter the Great transformed Russia because he had absolute power, and didn't have to sit around debating pro's and con's with groups of nobodies.

This is a good point. Maybe things would work better if we were under a dictatorship.

Or maybe royalty could take over again, so we'd be a kingdom.

I don't know. What you said just made me think about how, if you get someone who is fair, being ruled by one person doesn't have to be a bad thing. Someone has to make decisions after all, and you know what, a lot of people don't know what they want or really need.

 

[Accountable]

Too much doesn't get done when politicians sit around argueing.

Peter the Great transformed Russia because he had absolute power, and didn't have to sit around debating pro's and con's with groups of nobodies.

Permanent changes that impact the current situation and generations to come should be scrutinized, discussed, argued, and shredded. It's too important to rush through. History has forgotten the thousands of dictators that used their absolute power to screw things up.

 

[Zorak]

This is a good point. Maybe things would work better if we were under a dictatorship.

Or maybe royalty could take over again, so we'd be a kingdom.

I don't know. What you said just made me think about how, if you get someone who is fair, being ruled by one person doesn't have to be a bad thing. Someone has to make decisions after all, and you know what, a lot of people don't know what they want or really need.

They tried to elect enlightened despots towards the tail end of the Holy Roman Empire of Germany, the Italian states, Russia and other countries.
Is it then a coincidence that 100 years down the line all these countries became fascist or dictatorships? Hard to say.

 

[Zorak]

Permanent changes that impact the current situation and generations to come should be scrutinized, discussed, argued, and shredded. It's too important to rush through. History has forgotten the thousands of dictators that used their absolute power to screw things up.

Agreed. I wasn't condoning despotism, just pointing out that you can get a hell of a lot more done with it.

 

[FreightTrain]

Permanent changes that impact the current situation and generations to come should be scrutinized, discussed, argued, and shredded. It's too important to rush through. History has forgotten the thousands of dictators that used their absolute power to screw things up.

History's forgotten Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin?? America hasn't. In fact, I can't think of a single President in our nation's existence that classifies as a dictator. We've had egotistical leaders, but we keep all leaders in check. It's not a flawless system, but it works on keeping absolute power from running rampant.

 

[All Else Failed]

Giving all of the power to many people is problematic, since the "all" are not all responsible enough for "all" of the power.

How about no one have power.

Roles and power relationships need to exist for things to get done.