People get exactly what they deserve.

[alice in chains]

Do you believe man should return to a more basic form of nature then?

The fact that we live in an advanced society governed by morality and consequence is a bad thing?

No, I don't think we should, but I think people should realize a reality exists outside of our laws and rules. You cannot govern or control a person's feelings.

 

[Joe the meek]

I dont really know what to respond to you except it seems your philosophical thought process is just limited. no offense intended

No offense taken.

You stated that anything that happens to you, you deserve.

So, I not only take a baseball bat to your head and kill your children, but then rape your wife.

I'm under the impression that per your comment, you're saying you deserved that.

Perhaps my philosophical thought process is limited, but personally, I don't think you deserve the consequences for my actions, particularly when my actions are directed towards you due to no fault of your own.

Now, you try to break into my home and I kill you, yes, I'd say you got what you deserve.

Make sense?

 

[Mercury]

Yes, if someone doesn't deserve a happening then why would it happen? People donnot have an answer for that because there's no explanation by our man-created society and rules.

So in essence, you believe in fate?

 

[Panacea]

Ya this sounds more like fate than what we deserve, I think it would be clear that a young child would not have done anything to the universe to warrant being murdered with a baseball bat as fair punishment, but you're saying it would be just what was meant to happen so it's ok by virtue of that?

 

[retro]

Your argument is a logical fallacy. In order for it to be true, then an equal "punishment" would be doled out to each person in order for things to even out. Death is not the same severity as a prison sentence, and that would mean that the man that killed the lawyer would deserve to be killed as well. If this is the case, then the universe will never actually be equal, and as such your premise is fundamentally flawed.

 

[Zorak]

No, I don't think we should, but I think people should realize a reality exists outside of our laws and rules. You cannot govern or control a person's feelings.

What do you mean by a "reality" outside of law and governance? This sounds once again like an attack on society. Are you an anarchist?

 

[skyblue]

People have an ideal image of what they want life to be. There is a disconnection though from reality and how we create an artificial reality to meet or idealism. In reality, people who have something happen to them for no apparent reason deserved it. We donnot like it, but that doesn't mean it's not a relevant factor. That is why we created society. To make life make sense for our desires.

Scenario. A lawyer convinces a jury to convict an innocent man. The guy does his time, gets out and goes and kills that lawyer. Did the lawyer deserve to be murdered? The answer is yes because that convict needed payback. Humanity cannot govern all reality.

what did an innocent man do to deserve being locked up?

 

[retro]

what did an innocent man do to deserve being locked up?

That's where the logic, what little of it there was to begin with, falls apart. It would leave the universe in a perpetual state of being unbalanced, which flies in the face of the original claim.

 

[alice in chains]

sometimes i think it's hopeless for people to see outside of a box so i feel better by just embracing this species i was born into.

 

[Mercury]

So ... is it fate that you are suggesting in your theory or something else?

 

[Panacea]

sometimes i think it's hopeless for people to see outside of a box so i feel better by just embracing this species i was born into.

I for one was just digging to get a better understanding of your idea, not really lighting it up with judgment lol

 

[alice in chains]

So ... is it fate that you are suggesting in your theory or something else?

What I continuously am trying to help people understand is the basic theory that there are two realms of human existence. 1) Our version of an idealistic society where we enforce justice, laws, and fair play. 2) The reality of the universe that does not play by fair rules, but by random ordinances of chance and luck and a human point of view of justice in obsolete.

Fate in a sense that it is relevant and meant to happen at the moment it happens because IT DID happen. It HAPPENED, therefore it is RELEVANT. Does anything happen that isn't supposed to? If it wasn't supposed to, then WHY the fuck did it happen?

Fate in a sense that the action was preplanned, no.

 

[alice in chains]

That's where the logic, what little of it there was to begin with, falls apart. It would leave the universe in a perpetual state of being unbalanced, which flies in the face of the original claim.

You're putting a humans subjective point of view of justice. How the hell do you know that is universally accurate? Eye for an eye is a philosophy, not a concept of physical and random occurence, which is what I'm talking about if you would pay attention instead of being intent of finding me illogical.

 

[alice in chains]

What do you mean by a "reality" outside of law and governance? This sounds once again like an attack on society. Are you an anarchist?

I like the idea of Anarchy, but no I am not one; I guess I grew out of that nonsense. Not an attack against society, but rather a look at what is beyond our control. i.e. our emotions donnot care or acknowledge laws to prevent us from gratifiying our emotions: someone kills your brother therefore you want to kill his killer... that is a relevant happening in the universe no matter what human justice says.

 

[Tim]

The reality of the universe that does not play by fair rules, but by random ordinances of chance and luck and a human point of view of justice in obsolete.

Fate in a sense that it is relevant and meant to happen at the moment it happens because IT DID happen. It HAPPENED, therefore it is RELEVANT. Does anything happen that isn't supposed to? If it wasn't supposed to, then WHY the fuck did it happen?

Fate in a sense that the action was preplanned, no.

First you talk about chance and luck in the universe then you equate that to fate... you can't have it both ways.

If you believe everything happens in the universe for a reason, ie fate, then you can't use terms like luck or chance. That would make your theory completely irrelevant. People would NOT only get what they deserve.

 

[Mercury]

What I continuously am trying to help people understand is the basic theory that there are two realms of human existence. 1) Our version of an idealistic society where we enforce justice, laws, and fair play. 2) The reality of the universe that does not play by fair rules, but by random ordinances of chance and luck and a human point of view of justice in obsolete.

Fate in a sense that it is relevant and meant to happen at the moment it happens because IT DID happen. It HAPPENED, therefore it is RELEVANT. Does anything happen that isn't supposed to? If it wasn't supposed to, then WHY the fuck did it happen?

Fate in a sense that the action was preplanned, no.

I follow what you are saying now.

 

[alice in chains]

First you talk about chance and luck in the universe then you equate that to fate... you can't have it both ways.

If you believe everything happens in the universe for a reason, ie fate, then you can't use terms like luck or chance. That would make your theory completely irrelevant. People would NOT only get what they deserve.

When did I equate Fate to Chance and Luck? Mercury asked my thoughts on fate so I explained her how that fits in my theory. Fate is something that happens, so is chance. That's as close as I related the two.

Did you read my full explanation of what fate is? I really donnot know what else to say than to try reading my post again.

 

[alice in chains]

I follow what you are saying now.

Well, what do you think about it?

 

[Mercury]

Well, what do you think about it?

I think it sounds like a very logical theory. A balance between chaos and order which is precisely what I think makes up the Universe.

 

[alice in chains]

You see I donnot even think it's chaos. I mean I don't exect people to live and acknowledge this theory becuz it would be extremely difficult for people to accept. But I do think this is how things really work, glad you understand what i was trying to get across!