pedophiles

[retro]

So, something that Dana posted in another thread got me to thinking... he said that the relationship between Brandy (the singer) and Wanya Morris (Boyz II Men) made him a pedophile, because he was 22 and she was 17 at the time (if I'm remembering correctly). But not too very long ago, that wouldn't have been looked down at at all, in fact it would've been considered somewhat normal.

My opinion has always been pedophilia is an attraction to (or sexual interaction with) prepubescent kids... not someone in their mid-late teens that would have been considered an adult in another era. The age of 18 is rather arbitrary, as I've known people far beyond it that demonstrate far less maturity than those who are 15-16 even.

What do you all think?

 

[itsmeJonB]

22 and 17 is not that big of a deal, the word pedophile gets thrown around by ignorant people all the time.

I agree with your opinion on what pedophile refers to

 

[RandomDude]

my mates parents met when her mum was 17 and her dad was 27 :ninja

 

[Dana]

Taking something I said and using it for serious debate? You've got balls!

 

[retro]

Taking something I said and using it for serious debate? You've got balls!

every once in a while you say something that brings up a potentially interesting discussion... though most of the time that happens it's people disagreeing with you

 

[Tangerine]

I agree. Pedophilia is a specific kink that involves children. The term is commonly misused.

The worst part is, it's also misused far to frequently in legal terms too. People have their lives ruined by the sheer allegation of so-called pedophelia when in fact it's sometimes nothing more than two horny kids doing what nature is leading them to do.

I think that as a whole, our sex-offender laws are archaic, misguided and generally do far more harm than good.

 

[Springsteen]

If.....a 17 year old guy had sex with a 15 year old girl (16 is the AOC here) then I wouldn't call him a paedophile. But if,,,,I dunno, a 35 year old guy had sex with a 11 year old then yeah, that's a paedo.

But you could use the argument. I mean a builder who was on a stag night and spanked a policewoman playfully is now on the same sex offenders list as a guy who looks at pictures of 8 year old girls on the Internet and guys who groom pretens for sex etc, and that's why I think we need something official to differentiate between certain cases.

Whether they were willing is irrelevant abd certainly not a defence, which is why I think paedophiles should be castrated and made to eat their testicles and have their hands chopped off. The only problem with this is is that a paedophile is the same person in terms of the fact they look at in an inappropiate way/have sex with a minor regardless of age.

 

[Lurker]

Springsteen is on the same road as me, there should be a difference between pedophilia, and just affection. However, as Tangerine said, pedophilia is commonly misused, and in the media it is shown as sometimes extreme, to far from anything involving pedophilia. In my opinion, pedophilia should be defined as any individual, who is over the age of 18 and has sexual relations with a pre-pubescent child. A seventeen year old boy shagging some 15 year old chick is not pedophilia, just a really curious couple trying to understand sex, oh and that's exactly the excuse pedo's use to try and get away with the crime. "The child was just curious!", My ass.

 

[retro]

So I hear a lot of people talk about underage sex involving two minors being fine (and I agree), and adults or even teenagers having sex or doing sexual things with prepubescent children bad (and I agree with that too). But what about the question of an over 18 adult and say, someone that is 15-16? Is that pedophilia? Does it depend on just how old the adult in the situation is? Should it be black and white for every situation? Or should it be different depending on the maturity of the person under 18 in the situation?

 

[Meirionnydd]

So, something that Dana posted in another thread got me to thinking... he said that the relationship between Brandy (the singer) and Wanya Morris (Boyz II Men) made him a pedophile, because he was 22 and she was 17 at the time (if I'm remembering correctly). But not too very long ago, that wouldn't have been looked down at at all, in fact it would've been considered somewhat normal.

My opinion has always been pedophilia is an attraction to (or sexual interaction with) prepubescent kids... not someone in their mid-late teens that would have been considered an adult in another era. The age of 18 is rather arbitrary, as I've known people far beyond it that demonstrate far less maturity than those who are 15-16 even.

What do you all think?

I think that the legal definition of pedophilia is an adult engaging in sexual acts with someone under the age of twelve.

 

[edgray]

Pedophilia refers to the sexual attraction to per-pubescants, ie, kids who aren't fully developed. This would normally be a range from 8 - 12 or 13. Technically, any attraction to someone younger should probably be classed as some kind of xenophilia.

 

[Accountable]

So I hear a lot of people talk about underage sex involving two minors being fine (and I agree), and adults or even teenagers having sex or doing sexual things with prepubescent children bad (and I agree with that too). But what about the question of an over 18 adult and say, someone that is 15-16? Is that pedophilia? Does it depend on just how old the adult in the situation is? Should it be black and white for every situation? Or should it be different depending on the maturity of the person under 18 in the situation?

There was a story awhile back about a mom who called the cops on her 16-year-old daughter's 19-year-old boyfriend. He was convicted of sex with a minor, spent a few years in jail, and has to register as a convicted sex offender for the rest of his life. The girlfriend stayed by him and they are married now. I'd imagine he has trouble finding work.

It seems that judges aren't allowed to judge anything anymore. We should call them referees. Mandatory minimum sentences, three-strikes laws, rant, rant, rant, rant :rant:....

 

[dkwrtw]

if the Kid is 17 I really don't think of it as Pedophilia, any younger than that though is imo.

 

[donkeypunch]

So I hear a lot of people talk about underage sex involving two minors being fine (and I agree), and adults or even teenagers having sex or doing sexual things with prepubescent children bad (and I agree with that too). But what about the question of an over 18 adult and say, someone that is 15-16? Is that pedophilia? Does it depend on just how old the adult in the situation is? Should it be black and white for every situation? Or should it be different depending on the maturity of the person under 18 in the situation?

That's only the law in uptight USA. Your country needs more freedoms :thumbdown

 

[edgray]

once again, if the person has passed through puberty, it's not pedophilia, irrelevant of it's legal status.

 

[Alien Allen]

So I hear a lot of people talk about underage sex involving two minors being fine (and I agree), and adults or even teenagers having sex or doing sexual things with prepubescent children bad (and I agree with that too). But what about the question of an over 18 adult and say, someone that is 15-16? Is that pedophilia? Does it depend on just how old the adult in the situation is? Should it be black and white for every situation? Or should it be different depending on the maturity of the person under 18 in the situation?

I know somebody with a 18 year old son that did jail for this. He had sex with two different 15 year old girls. It was totally consensual and if anything appears to have initiated by the girls. One of the parents found out and bingo. Off to jail and on the sex offender list for the rest of his life. You think he has much of a future? The kid had no self esteem so he found it easy to get things on with these younger girls and for that he is lumped in with the real dirt bags out there. Makes no sense but this is what happens when you have morons enacting knee jerk laws based on emotion and not thinking it out.

 

[edgray]

I know somebody with a 18 year old son that did jail for this. He had sex with two different 15 year old girls. It was totally consensual and if anything appears to have initiated by the girls. One of the parents found out and bingo. Off to jail and on the sex offender list for the rest of his life. You think he has much of a future? The kid had no self esteem so he found it easy to get things on with these younger girls and for that he is lumped in with the real dirt bags out there. Makes no sense but this is what happens when you have morons enacting knee jerk laws based on emotion and not thinking it out.

yeah I've never understood that. There's a massive difference between someone sleeping with an underage teenager that consents, than raping a child who isn't old enough to consent, yet they're all tried and convicted as the same. No really the best way to deal with it.

 

[porterjack]

I know somebody with a 18 year old son that did jail for this. He had sex with two different 15 year old girls. It was totally consensual and if anything appears to have initiated by the girls. One of the parents found out and bingo. Off to jail and on the sex offender list for the rest of his life. You think he has much of a future? The kid had no self esteem so he found it easy to get things on with these younger girls and for that he is lumped in with the real dirt bags out there. Makes no sense but this is what happens when you have morons enacting knee jerk laws based on emotion and not thinking it out.

that sounds like the parents taking their frustration out on the 18 year old - a more liberated parent would have counselled the daughter before the act and not reacted that way, many many 15 year olds are mature enought to have sex with 18 year old partners

 

[Peter Parka]

I pretty much agree with the OP. While having sex with an underage is illegal, it's not paedophillia if she's sexually developed. Besides, its a grey area as to when you consider a girl old enough to make her own mind up about sex. In my country I can quite legally have sex with a 16 year old but in the USA, I would be thrown in jail for it.

 

[porterjack]

I pretty much agree with the OP. While having sex with an underage is illegal, it's not paedophillia if she's sexually developed. Besides, its a grey area as to when you consider a girl old enough to make her own mind up about sex. In my country I can quite legally have sex with a 16 year old but in the USA, I would be thrown in jail for it.

i would suspect that you would be thrown in jail as soon as you stepped off the plane?