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[freakofnature]

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[retro]

The part I don't understand is : seems everyone is wishing V the best and complaining about the Darrell and Tasha, yet How could Darrell and Tasha do anything without some support from V at least to get appointed ?

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

 

[retro]

Everyone likes V...If people feel like they were wronged by Darrell or Natasha that doesnt mean V supported it .

Darrell is gone by a voluntary ban and Natasha put in her resignation as an admin...and rarely posts.

IMO if people left as they were truly upset with those two...they would be having a party in this forum posting their asses off as a celebration.
But they arent....it goes back to being solicited to another forum by a couple prominent members.

I know nothing about the conflicts or whether they even existed...I am not saying anyone is being dishonest.
I will say this though...they need to stop acting like babies and using the excuse of previous staff for a reason of being upset with the forum currently.

When shit like what happened goes down, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Why continue to post at a forum where the owner has continually made poor decisions when it comes to choosing staff members? Darrell and Natasha were both horrible choices, but there have been others over the years as well. Not to mention the fact that Veronica swore up and down for a long time that no staff members could read rep, then when I called her on it (along with some other members), she finally admitted that the senior staff could do it. Then there was the fact that at one point in time (and Veronica admitted this as well) they had the ability to go and read people's PMs. Those types of behaviors and decisions sow some pretty serious seeds of discontent. Why would anyone want to stick it out at a forum where there was a history of regular abuses of power.

That doesn't even get into the complete haphazard way that things were moderated, punishments handed out, or the contempt that certain staff members showed towards members they didn't like. Audraa led multiple witch hunts against members she didn't like, Natasha and Darrell did the same thing. It's interesting that Audraa and Natasha are Veronica's friends in real life, and they proved to be habitual abusers of the power that Veronica gave them. That says as lot about Veronica herself, not only is she friends with these people, but she put them into positions of power here, and let them get away with regular abuses of that same power.

Also, nobody "solicited" anyone to another forum. It was given as an option, mostly to people that had grown tired of the bullshit that was going on around here and were looking for other places to post. You say that you know nothing of the conflicts that arose around here, and yet you act like you know exactly what happened anyway. Not to mention the fact that you weren't one of the ones "solicited" (as you put it) to another forum, so how exactly would you know that people were "solicited" in the first place? Oh wait, you wouldn't, but in your typical fashion, you're talking out of your ass again.

Furthermore, not "everyone" likes Veronica. I don't, and I never have, for a number of different reasons. Not the least of which is the fact that she bought into the fucking disgusting lovefest that people around here seemed to have for her. People acted like she was some sort of forum demigoddess, and she started acting the part. It disgusted me how many people fawned over her simply because she owned the place. Hell, she didn't even pay for the forum software upgrades, if memory serves, the other admin that she ran out of here paid for those things.

The fact of the matter is that this forum was completely mismanaged by Veronica, especially after the other admin left his role of keeping things together around here. She made poor decisions when it came to selecting staff members... and about 95% of those staff members were women. The male staff members that were around, were removed if they stopped posting, and replaced almost without derivation with more women. The drama got completely overwhelming with staff members running amok with near impunity, punishments were inconsistent, and so were the rules. It all depended on how a given staff member decided to interpret the rules, and in Natasha's case, whether she was on the rag at the time or not.

This post went on far longer than I originally intended it to, but there were some facts that needed to get aired out. Especially with you slinging your clueless bullshit around and acting like it's fact.

 

[dkwrtw]

I don't know what all has gone down since I've been away, obviously A LOT, sad to see this place go and wish I could be the one to buy it.

 

[Peter Parka]

If members were solicited to another forum, they wouldn't have moved there if they were happy here. That fact this place has turned into a graveyard and the other place is lively and people are happy there speaks for its self

 

[The Man]

When shit like what happened goes down, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Why continue to post at a forum where the owner has continually made poor decisions when it comes to choosing staff members? Darrell and Natasha were both horrible choices, but there have been others over the years as well. Not to mention the fact that Veronica swore up and down for a long time that no staff members could read rep, then when I called her on it (along with some other members), she finally admitted that the senior staff could do it. Then there was the fact that at one point in time (and Veronica admitted this as well) they had the ability to go and read people's PMs. Those types of behaviors and decisions sow some pretty serious seeds of discontent. Why would anyone want to stick it out at a forum where there was a history of regular abuses of power.

That doesn't even get into the complete haphazard way that things were moderated, punishments handed out, or the contempt that certain staff members showed towards members they didn't like. Audraa led multiple witch hunts against members she didn't like, Natasha and Darrell did the same thing. It's interesting that Audraa and Natasha are Veronica's friends in real life, and they proved to be habitual abusers of the power that Veronica gave them. That says as lot about Veronica herself, not only is she friends with these people, but she put them into positions of power here, and let them get away with regular abuses of that same power.

Also, nobody "solicited" anyone to another forum. It was given as an option, mostly to people that had grown tired of the bullshit that was going on around here and were looking for other places to post. You say that you know nothing of the conflicts that arose around here, and yet you act like you know exactly what happened anyway. Not to mention the fact that you weren't one of the ones "solicited" (as you put it) to another forum, so how exactly would you know that people were "solicited" in the first place? Oh wait, you wouldn't, but in your typical fashion, you're talking out of your ass again.

Furthermore, not "everyone" likes Veronica. I don't, and I never have, for a number of different reasons. Not the least of which is the fact that she bought into the fucking disgusting lovefest that people around here seemed to have for her. People acted like she was some sort of forum demigoddess, and she started acting the part. It disgusted me how many people fawned over her simply because she owned the place. Hell, she didn't even pay for the forum software upgrades, if memory serves, the other admin that she ran out of here paid for those things.

The fact of the matter is that this forum was completely mismanaged by Veronica, especially after the other admin left his role of keeping things together around here. She made poor decisions when it came to selecting staff members... and about 95% of those staff members were women. The male staff members that were around, were removed if they stopped posting, and replaced almost without derivation with more women. The drama got completely overwhelming with staff members running amok with near impunity, punishments were inconsistent, and so were the rules. It all depended on how a given staff member decided to interpret the rules, and in Natasha's case, whether she was on the rag at the time or not.

This post went on far longer than I originally intended it to, but there were some facts that needed to get aired out. Especially with you slinging your clueless bullshit around and acting like it's fact.

When shit like what happened goes down, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Why continue to post at a forum where the owner has continually made poor decisions when it comes to choosing staff members? Darrell and Natasha were both horrible choices, but there have been others over the years as well. Not to mention the fact that Veronica swore up and down for a long time that no staff members could read rep, then when I called her on it (along with some other members), she finally admitted that the senior staff could do it. Then there was the fact that at one point in time (and Veronica admitted this as well) they had the ability to go and read people's PMs. Those types of behaviors and decisions sow some pretty serious seeds of discontent. Why would anyone want to stick it out at a forum where there was a history of regular abuses of power.

You have been here since 2007 and have 12k in posts..I am hard pressed to believe you "hated it" the entire time you were here.
I remember when your demeanor towards the place changed and it wasnt years ago..but rather several months ago.
An event or perhaps multiple events led to such which from what I am gathering is an unhappiness with some staff.
The staff is essentially gone except for Fred...So if you were unhappy with her selection of staff in the past..it seems that should no longer be an issue.
I never had any problems with any of the women staff....you need to learn how to talk to women...this is a must have social skill as they have all the pussy.

Also, nobody "solicited" anyone to another forum. It was given as an option, mostly to people that had grown tired of the bullshit that was going on around here and were looking for other places to post. You say that you know nothing of the conflicts that arose around here, and yet you act like you know exactly what happened anyway. Not to mention the fact that you weren't one of the ones "solicited" (as you put it) to another forum, so how exactly would you know that people were "solicited" in the first place? Oh wait, you wouldn't, but in your typical fashion, you're talking out of your ass again.

Actually proves my statement....think about it...you just stated as a fact that I wasn't one of the ones solicited to another forum {how would you know?...unless you are aware of who and who was not solicited.

Furthermore, not "everyone" likes Veronica. I don't, and I never have, for a number of different reasons. Not the least of which is the fact that she bought into the fucking disgusting lovefest that people around here seemed to have for her. People acted like she was some sort of forum demigoddess, and she started acting the part. It disgusted me how many people fawned over her simply because she owned the place. Hell, she didn't even pay for the forum software upgrades, if memory serves, the other admin that she ran out of here paid for those things.

The majority seem to like V...not all so I will stand corrected.
I always got along with her....I may be detecting a little jealousy on your part towards her as /as you put it people fawned over her and "demigoddess".....Perhaps if you had a rack that nice you could have had similar stature.

The fact of the matter is that this forum was completely mismanaged by Veronica, especially after the other admin left his role of keeping things together around here. She made poor decisions when it came to selecting staff members... and about 95% of those staff members were women. The male staff members that were around, were removed if they stopped posting, and replaced almost without derivation with more women. The drama got completely overwhelming with staff members running amok with near impunity, punishments were inconsistent, and so were the rules. It all depended on how a given staff member decided to interpret the rules, and in Natasha's case, whether she was on the rag at the time or not.

So you think it should be run by all guys?
I agree a woman's place should be in the kitchen{insert smiley here}..but there is no reason they cant mod from a laptop while cooking that roast.

This post went on far longer than I originally intended it to, but there were some facts that needed to get aired out. Especially with you slinging your clueless bullshit around and acting like it's fact

Well I guess I was wrong..as everyone doesnt like V.

Looking past your post..is evidence enough for most that V is good people.
Any site owner that allows a person to openly vent and disrespect the owner in public without slapping a ban has a pretty big heart.
IMO her not cracking the whip at times when need be is not healthy for the forum.

 

[The Man]

I don't know what all has gone down since I've been away, obviously A LOT, sad to see this place go and wish I could be the one to buy it.

The forum is suffering the domino affect...Some prominent members solicited members to another forum.
That slowed traffic here../when people logged in there were less active threads/so there was less for them to participate in.
Thats how forums work...they are either gaining activity or losing activity...its compounding as when activity goes up it causes more activity as there is more to catch their attention and they are more apt to participate...same for when it goes goes down....there is less to catch their attention.
Its been a slump for a while for sure...often a major event will increase traffic.
Example the forum being up for sale....this shows the members that were not participating were lurking the forum anyway...and found something that caught their interest.

 

[dkwrtw]

I've been way too out of the loop for too long to bother with trying to dig down into everything that's happened, I know that atmosphere here has changed severely since I first joined back on '09 and it makes me sad as I spent countless hours of my life on this place. It lost that "family feel" for me quite a while back, I always feel like a stranger here when I pop in these days. Will definitely miss what this place was at it's peak, but I reckon it's been headed this way for a long time now.

 

[StripedCat]

Gosh. oO Comin' back after having been away for a very long time and finding...this. :-/ Not that I experience this the first time. Seems to be common that when a forum disrupts, people's pent-up anger suddenly bursts out in some kind of explosion. :-/

Well, I don't have any reason for anger or whatever. When I was active here, I had a very good time with very nice people. I wish you all the best, especially Veronica for keeping this forum up such a long time. You did a great job, I think.
(Unfortunately it is common that quarrels come up wherever people have to deal with each other. It's human, I think. So maybe...it doesn't help anyone to now pass bucks to someone.)

Wish you all the best,
"the striped cat"

P. S. Sorry if there are any mistakes in my text. As some of the older users might remember I am not a native speaker.

 

[griz bear]

When shit like what happened goes down, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Why continue to post at a forum where the owner has continually made poor decisions when it comes to choosing staff members? Darrell and Natasha were both horrible choices, but there have been others over the years as well. Not to mention the fact that Veronica swore up and down for a long time that no staff members could read rep, then when I called her on it (along with some other members), she finally admitted that the senior staff could do it. Then there was the fact that at one point in time (and Veronica admitted this as well) they had the ability to go and read people's PMs. Those types of behaviors and decisions sow some pretty serious seeds of discontent. Why would anyone want to stick it out at a forum where there was a history of regular abuses of power.

That doesn't even get into the complete haphazard way that things were moderated, punishments handed out, or the contempt that certain staff members showed towards members they didn't like. Audraa led multiple witch hunts against members she didn't like, Natasha and Darrell did the same thing. It's interesting that Audraa and Natasha are Veronica's friends in real life, and they proved to be habitual abusers of the power that Veronica gave them. That says as lot about Veronica herself, not only is she friends with these people, but she put them into positions of power here, and let them get away with regular abuses of that same power.

Also, nobody "solicited" anyone to another forum. It was given as an option, mostly to people that had grown tired of the bullshit that was going on around here and were looking for other places to post. You say that you know nothing of the conflicts that arose around here, and yet you act like you know exactly what happened anyway. Not to mention the fact that you weren't one of the ones "solicited" (as you put it) to another forum, so how exactly would you know that people were "solicited" in the first place? Oh wait, you wouldn't, but in your typical fashion, you're talking out of your ass again.

Furthermore, not "everyone" likes Veronica. I don't, and I never have, for a number of different reasons. Not the least of which is the fact that she bought into the fucking disgusting lovefest that people around here seemed to have for her. People acted like she was some sort of forum demigoddess, and she started acting the part. It disgusted me how many people fawned over her simply because she owned the place. Hell, she didn't even pay for the forum software upgrades, if memory serves, the other admin that she ran out of here paid for those things.

The fact of the matter is that this forum was completely mismanaged by Veronica, especially after the other admin left his role of keeping things together around here. She made poor decisions when it came to selecting staff members... and about 95% of those staff members were women. The male staff members that were around, were removed if they stopped posting, and replaced almost without derivation with more women. The drama got completely overwhelming with staff members running amok with near impunity, punishments were inconsistent, and so were the rules. It all depended on how a given staff member decided to interpret the rules, and in Natasha's case, whether she was on the rag at the time or not.

This post went on far longer than I originally intended it to, but there were some facts that needed to get aired out. Especially with you slinging your clueless bullshit around and acting like it's fact.

Thank you

 

[retro]

You have been here since 2007 and have 12k in posts..I am hard pressed to believe you "hated it" the entire time you were here.
I remember when your demeanor towards the place changed and it wasnt years ago..but rather several months ago.
An event or perhaps multiple events led to such which from what I am gathering is an unhappiness with some staff.
The staff is essentially gone except for Fred...So if you were unhappy with her selection of staff in the past..it seems that should no longer be an issue.
I never had any problems with any of the women staff....you need to learn how to talk to women...this is a must have social skill as they have all the pussy.

Did I say that I hated it here the entire time I posted? No, I didn't. But that's your MO, putting words in people's mouths. That being said, I'll tell you what I told Natasha the countless times she tried to get me to leave. I didn't like the forum or most of the people running it, and I didn't like it for a long time. I stuck around and posted because I liked a lot of the people that posted here. As I previously stated, there were a number of events that led to my dissatisfaction here, so when that other forum got going, I just stayed there to post.

You also don't seem to be very observant. I haven't posted here with anything even approaching regularity since May/June of last year, which is significantly longer than "several months ago". But hey, we know we can't count on you to be honest. As far as the staff being gone now, I honestly don't give a fuck anymore. I stopped posting here almost a year and a half ago, why would I bother coming back to a graveyard except to finally say a lot of the things that I and others have been wanting to say for a long time?

Additionally, I have zero problems talking to women. Two of my best friends are women, but there you go again, making shit up.

Actually proves my statement....think about it...you just stated as a fact that I wasn't one of the ones solicited to another forum {how would you know?...unless you are aware of who and who was not solicited.

I stated as a fact that you weren't invited to the other forum. There's a difference between people being told that there was another forum with a lot of the same people posting, and people actively "soliciting" members to join. Go read and dictionary and learn what words mean before you use them. You might also want to take a lesson in how words work in context, because you don't have a very good grasp on that. I happen to know who all was told about the forum's existence, because I post there and interact with them. I know, observation and critical thinking weren't ever your strong suit.

The majority seem to like V...not all so I will stand corrected.
I always got along with her....I may be detecting a little jealousy on your part towards her as /as you put it people fawned over her and "demigoddess".....Perhaps if you had a rack that nice you could have had similar stature.

I don't deny that a lot of people like her, and that's fine. I never claimed anything to the contrary. But as far as what I said being "jealousy", you're dead wrong there. I'm merely pointing out my observations, which many people have agreed with me on once I made them public, and some that I've said that to privately in the past.

So you think it should be run by all guys?
I agree a woman's place should be in the kitchen{insert smiley here}..but there is no reason they cant mod from a laptop while cooking that roast.

Please show me where I claimed it should be run by all guys. The implication that I'm a misogynist is pathetic on your part. It's funny, you start name calling and insulting people when you can't actually properly respond to what they're saying. I believe that a forum's staff should have mostly equal representation if at all possible, but having the male:female ratio as skewed as it was on here leads to a lot of problems. That skewed representation led to issues around here, and anyone with half a brain can tell that.

Well I guess I was wrong..as everyone doesnt like V.

Looking past your post..is evidence enough for most that V is good people.
Any site owner that allows a person to openly vent and disrespect the owner in public without slapping a ban has a pretty big heart.
IMO her not cracking the whip at times when need be is not healthy for the forum.

So people should be banned for speaking their mind while not breaking any rules? Well, I guess in your fucked up little world, that's exactly what should happen. That being said, I doubt Veronica has even logged on and read what has been posted. She obviously hasn't given a fuck about this place for a long time, which I've said in the past, as evidenced by putting Darrell and Natasha into positions of power here. I'm honestly sure that Veronica is probably a nice enough person in real life, though never having met her I can't really say that with any degree of certainty. What I can say with certainty is that she sucks and running a forum, and hell she'd probably even agree with me on that one at this point.

But you keep on living in your delusional dream world, you're probably best there.

 

[NoDak]

:horse

 

[jassilem]

The forum is suffering the domino affect...Some prominent members solicited members to another forum.

The site was long dying and had slowed before another forum was even started...

I don't stick my toes into pissing contests which seems to be what this thread has turned into.

And they did not solicit people.. There was a site started.. People are friends they talk.. Same as the way I found my way here from another site.. no one went mining for people.

 

[GoldDust Woman]

The forum is suffering the domino affect...

It sure is! Why? Because this place is so warm and fuzzy and welcoming. Refer back to my very first post in this thread.

You display a false sense of ownership here, just like you did at TSG and got shown the ban door.

People post on message boards because of the membership relations that are formed. Understand that.

 

[The Man]

Did I say that I hated it here the entire time I posted? No, I didn't. But that's your MO, putting words in people's mouths. That being said, I'll tell you what I told Natasha the countless times she tried to get me to leave. I didn't like the forum or most of the people running it, and I didn't like it for a long time. I stuck around and posted because I liked a lot of the people that posted here. As I previously stated, there were a number of events that led to my dissatisfaction here, so when that other forum got going, I just stayed there to post.

You also don't seem to be very observant. I haven't posted here with anything even approaching regularity since May/June of last year, which is significantly longer than "several months ago". But hey, we know we can't count on you to be honest. As far as the staff being gone now, I honestly don't give a fuck anymore. I stopped posting here almost a year and a half ago, why would I bother coming back to a graveyard except to finally say a lot of the things that I and others have been wanting to say for a long time?

Additionally, I have zero problems talking to women. Two of my best friends are women, but there you go again, making shit up.



I stated as a fact that you weren't invited to the other forum. There's a difference between people being told that there was another forum with a lot of the same people posting, and people actively "soliciting" members to join. Go read and dictionary and learn what words mean before you use them. You might also want to take a lesson in how words work in context, because you don't have a very good grasp on that. I happen to know who all was told about the forum's existence, because I post there and interact with them. I know, observation and critical thinking weren't ever your strong suit.



I don't deny that a lot of people like her, and that's fine. I never claimed anything to the contrary. But as far as what I said being "jealousy", you're dead wrong there. I'm merely pointing out my observations, which many people have agreed with me on once I made them public, and some that I've said that to privately in the past.



Please show me where I claimed it should be run by all guys. The implication that I'm a misogynist is pathetic on your part. It's funny, you start name calling and insulting people when you can't actually properly respond to what they're saying. I believe that a forum's staff should have mostly equal representation if at all possible, but having the male:female ratio as skewed as it was on here leads to a lot of problems. That skewed representation led to issues around here, and anyone with half a brain can tell that.




So people should be banned for speaking their mind while not breaking any rules? Well, I guess in your fucked up little world, that's exactly what should happen. That being said, I doubt Veronica has even logged on and read what has been posted. She obviously hasn't given a fuck about this place for a long time, which I've said in the past, as evidenced by putting Darrell and Natasha into positions of power here. I'm honestly sure that Veronica is probably a nice enough person in real life, though never having met her I can't really say that with any degree of certainty. What I can say with certainty is that she sucks and running a forum, and hell she'd probably even agree with me on that one at this point.

But you keep on living in your delusional dream world, you're probably best there.

I was only forming opinion on what you wrote...you have been here several years longer than I..so I do not know the entire history of any conflicts.
What I have been saying is...{in lieu of what you have posted}..all those staff members are gone that you didnt agree with.
There must be more than what you are telling me {not that I am asking you to} nor do I need to know.
I will say this I almost left once as I had got a bad taste in my mouth as you say it...The problem I had here is gone and here I am going about my usual business.

 

[The Man]

The site was long dying and had slowed before another forum was even started...

I don't stick my toes into pissing contests which seems to be what this thread has turned into.

And they did not solicit people.. There was a site started.. People are friends they talk.. Same as the way I found my way here from another site.. no one went mining for people.

You may have not been solicited but many were.
I am not complaining about the soliciting ...I am just saying that is where alot of people have went and people didnt just drop off the earth per say.

 

[The Man]

It sure is! Why? Because this place is so warm and fuzzy and welcoming. Refer back to my very first post in this thread.

You display a false sense of ownership here, just like you did at TSG and got shown the ban door.

People post on message boards because of the membership relations that are formed. Understand that.

Funny...you didnt know who I was on there until I told you.
My banning there was the result of a "cleaning" of the forum after a design change and several staff added.
There was a large group that were banned...I was actually one of the last to be banned after the design change.
I knew it was coming as I was informed of such...and sure enough..pow.. banned.
Reason...I stated I participated on another board{ no forum name mentioned} ....the post was deleted and I was banned.

 

[GoldDust Woman]

Funny...you didnt know who I was on there until I told you.
My banning there was the result of a "cleaning" of the forum after a design change and several staff added.
There was a large group that were banned...I was actually one of the last to be banned after the design change.
I knew it was coming as I was informed of such...and sure enough..pow.. banned.
Reason...I stated I participated on another board{ no forum name mentioned} ....the post was deleted and I was banned.

I had a gut feeling as to who you were. Unlike you, I didn't dare assume. I figured you were one in the same, therefore I asked. Your reputation preceeds you.

Btw... you don't need to blame your banning on the changes over there. I've been a member there for 13 years, still am... I know how it went down. Nice try, though.

 

[Alien Allen]

There was some soliciting to check out the other forum. But that did not lead to the current situation here at OTZ. OTZ had long been on a downward spiral by that time.

I don't claim to be an expert on keeping a forum going but do recall where it was stated somewhere that one important factor is for the mods to be active in the threads. That has not been the case for a long, long time here. And for a while it seemed to be the case that when mods were active it was not in a positive way.

As to beating up on some and making them the scapegoats I don't see the point. And I wonder just what it proves. I was a very regular poster at the time when Darrel quit. I keep hearing about all these bad things he did. Yet I never knew what he did. So at least for me it had nothing to do with my lack of posting.

 

[NuckingFuts]

Damn I wish HK would solicit me! That would be grrrrreat!!!!!