Occupy Wall Street! Big Protest in New York

[retro]

For whatever it's worth, I do agree with what some of what's being said by these people... just not necessarily the list of "demands" posted by that blogger. This movement is more akin to the original Tea Party than what the Tea Party has become today. However, it doesn't start or stop with Wall Street... this issue is really in Washington. The politicians that see fit to waste money on their own personal pet projects, on their wars, bailouts, and "stimulus" packages. Yes, corporations "own" a good majority of the politicians, but it was the politicians choice to be bought out. That's why we limits on lobbyists in Washington, and politicians that will stand up and actually serve the people that elected them, and not the corporations that have purchased them.

The Federal Reserve is another huge part of the problem and needs to be canned. It's ridiculous that they can just print money that the government purchases with loans against itself. I'm really thinking that the federal government's plan is going to be to inflate ourselves out of the fiscal mess... reduce the value of our currency in order to pay things off. Which then just hurts the middle class and everyone else. This isn't an issue of Republican vs. Democrat, which is what so many people (especially around here) are trying to make it out to be... because both sides have been purchased.

 

[Panacea]

Then why doesn't she pay more in taxes on her own? Or donate the money she thinks she should be taxed to non-profit organizations that will help people the way she believes they should be helped?

I guess they should just write "To: the government" at the top of their charity check?

 

[retro]

I guess they should just write "To: the government" at the top of their charity check?

Yes, actually.

http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html

You've been able to do it since 1843.

 

[Panacea]

Yes, actually.

http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html

You've been able to do it since 1843.

Do they accept fruit baskets?

 

[anathelia]

Yes, actually.

http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html

You've been able to do it since 1843.

I think her point is that you're saying this lady should pay more in taxes or give her money to charities, and that that money (especially when paid in taxes) is probably not really going to actually help those who need it, so she might as well just write the government a big fat check and they can use to to maybe continue to fund this war that should've been over years ago.

 

[MoonOwl]

I asked this question a few months ago somewhere here and I don't think I got a response...

Do we still have a 90% tax bracket? If not, we should.

My Grandfather was in the 90% tax bracket back in the 40's & 50's. Funny, even with paying all that tax (which I'm sure there were still loopholes too) he and my Grandmother managed to live very, very well. Large house, live-in maid, etc.....

My Grandmother used to recall how he was proud to be paying that much in tax. Because that money helped contribute to making our country great.

I don't think there's that kinda attitude around in that 1% these days, eh? Must be all that 'New' money?

 

[retro]

I asked this question a few months ago somewhere here and I don't think I got a response...

Do we still have a 90% tax bracket? If not, we should.

My Grandfather was in the 90% tax bracket back in the 40's & 50's. Funny, even with paying all that tax (which I'm sure there were still loopholes too) he and my Grandmother managed to live very, very well. Large house, live-in maid, etc.....

My Grandmother used to recall how he was proud to be paying that much in tax. Because that money helped contribute to making our country great.

I don't think there's that kinda attitude around in that 1% these days, eh? Must be all that 'New' money?

There's another thread somewhere in the debate section where I went through and broke down what that 90% bracket was really like, along with all of the loopholes and everything that went with it. Plus, as far as the attitude of contributing to make our country great... well, I wouldn't have that attitude if I was in the 1%, because that's not what the money goes towards anymore. It all goes to fund illegal wars, bailouts, and entitlements.

 

[MoonOwl]

There's another thread somewhere in the debate section where I went through and broke down what that 90% bracket was really like, along with all of the loopholes and everything that went with it. Plus, as far as the attitude of contributing to make our country great... well, I wouldn't have that attitude if I was in the 1%, because that's not what the money goes towards anymore. It all goes to fund illegal wars, bailouts, and entitlements.

A valid point for sure.

hehehehehehehehe....... it's one of the things that has bugged me when the 'Pro-life' shills were blathering on about their tax dollars being used to fund abortions. Tough. My tax dollars are funding illegal wars. Too bad both couldn't stop.

Now all this other nice stuff too....

Let me think. Corporations get to keep their profits. But if they have losses it's picked up by the taxpayer. That is the definition of? I think it begins with an "F".

I did find it interesting that they delayed moving the NYC protesters out of the park so it could be cleaned. Methinks the powers that be may be realizing they have a powder keg on their hands and to tread carefully. Cuz if we'd have seen these 5,000 people rounded up and a bit of induced violence happening it might be the final straw that decides it is indeed time to join en masse. Fuck our responsibilities.

Good. Let em think. What would at least 150 million people look like? 250 million? They didn't listen when a million hit DC a few years back. What about 300 million people converging on DC? A logistical nightmare to be sure but that would be something to see. Not that I think that would ever happen. That's just in the movies.

 

[Johnfromokc]

My 17 year old son got this comment he wrote in to a local news anchor read on the prime time news last night:

"Mr. Ogle, I just watched your 2 Cents on the 10 pm news; your courteous tone is a refreshing change from much ...of the mainstream media's hostility. However, I must disagree with your summary, wherein you said that the underlying message appeared to be the redistribution of wealth. That is not the message of Occupy OKC, or Occupy Wall Street as a whole. They don't want to spread the wealth around, they just want the wealth to be earned in honest ways, as they feel, quite understandably, that corporations and banks have used dishonest means. I believe the strongest message in this movement, however, is a demand to remove corporate influence on the US government, an influence that has resulted in preferential treatment to big businesses and banks over the needs of the middle and lower classes, such as the bailout.

As for the previous comments, I can't help but think that they are only watching secondhand sources of the protest, such as the 2 Cents piece, and are therefore getting an incomplete, and generally negative, view of the protests. I would strongly encourage all of them to view independent and firsthand coverage of the protests, even watch the Live Stream on the OWS website during a general assembly, before they make their judgement.

 

[Johnfromokc]

 

[Johnfromokc]

I'm loving this movement! It keeps on growing. I'll be dropping by Occupy OKC again tomorrow.

http://news.yahoo.com/wall-street-sit-goes-global-saturday-105459242.html

Wall Street sit-in goes global Saturday

LONDON (Reuters) - For an October revolution, dress warm. That's the word going out - politely - on the Web to rally street protests on Saturday around the globe from New Zealand to Alaska via London, Frankfurt, Washington and, of course, New York, where the past month's Occupy Wall Street movement has inspired a worldwide yell of anger at banks and financiers.

How many will show up, let alone stay to camp out to disrupt city centers for days, or months, to come, is anyone's guess. The hundreds at Manhattan's Zuccotti Park were calling for back-up on Friday, fearing imminent eviction. Rome expects tens of thousands at a national protest of more traditional stamp.


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[Johnfromokc]

Adelaide had their General Assembly - in the rain but still good to see folks turn out even in small numbers. What is really cool is that we have been to the park - Victoria Square - where it was held.

Occupy Adeliade FB link - https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1098157943324.2015060.1507914120&type=1#!/occupyadelaide

Here we are with out hosts in front of the fountain at VP in 2009:

And here's an "Occupy" participant at the fountain:

More Occupy Adelaide pics:

 

[Johnfromokc]

Thought this was a great addition to the thread:

 

[PoopaSwoof]

Time for a PSA.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Nice! Poopa - do you have a link to that comic series?

 

[PoopaSwoof]

Nice! Poopa - do you have a link to that comic series?

I found it on Reddit.com

 

[Johnfromokc]

Check this out! Global protests in 950 countries. Several news video's in this link:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44912...-occupy-protests-gets-under-way/#.Tpmbr5xSn6A

 

[Johnfromokc]

In response to the people that post this photo in response to OWS I posted this on Facebook:

To all the folks against the Occupy Wall Street Movement that are posting this photo: That's nice - we agree people should stay out of debt and live within their means - However - assuming this phograph is actually real and not some right wing propaganda (notice this "college senior" declined to show his or her face) what we, the 99% take issue with is the fact that corporate lobbies control our government, fight against affordable health care and living wages, receive huge tax payer subsidies while paying no taxes. The banks were bailed out after criminally and fradulently mismanaging their business and the taxpayers that bailed them out got left with the bill. And you "conservatives" that post things like this photograph are telling the working class (of which you are a part) that the status quo is just fine and people should be happy working multiple minimum wage jobs with no health insurance while the Wall Streeters live large? Have you people completely taken leave of your senses and lost touch with reality? It is easy to sit in a middle class life and look out the window of your "affluent" home in your "affluent" neighborhood and pass judgement on those living in situations you are apparently incapable of comprehending. Many of you are one job loss from forclosure - hopefully you won't have to experience that to learn a little empathy for your fellow citizens. Stop reacting to those 15 second right wing news blurbs and THINK!

 

[anathelia]

Listening to Al Sharpton give a speech right now on MSNBC, looks like they're doing a march in DC today. Leading the same concept.

 

[Panacea]

In response to the people that post this photo in response to OWS I posted this on Facebook:

To all the folks against the Occupy Wall Street Movement that are posting this photo: That's nice - we agree people should stay out of debt and live within their means - However - assuming this phograph is actually real and not some right wing propaganda (notice this "college senior" declined to show his or her face) what we, the 99% take issue with is the fact that corporate lobbies control our government, fight against affordable health care and living wages, receive huge tax payer subsidies while paying no taxes. The banks were bailed out after criminally and fradulently mismanaging their business and the taxpayers that bailed them out got left with the bill. And you "conservatives" that post things like this photograph are telling the working class (of which you are a part) that the status quo is just fine and people should be happy working multiple minimum wage jobs with no health insurance while the Wall Streeters live large? Have you people completely taken leave of your senses and lost touch with reality? It is easy to sit in a middle class life and look out the window of your "affluent" home in your "affluent" neighborhood and pass judgement on those living in situations you are apparently incapable of comprehending. Many of you are one job loss from forclosure - hopefully you won't have to experience that to learn a little empathy for your fellow citizens. Stop reacting to those 15 second right wing news blurbs and THINK!

Ya this photo...I mean, it's great when people do this. Personal accountability needs to become more prominent or we will never get anywhere, and I can relate to much of what that photo says, but I didn't really have the luxury of staying out of debt if I wanted to go to school, which I did. My parents needed my money, I worked full time but it wasn't enough to pay for my cheapie little school. I aimed to be able to say all of the things said there, and I always will. It's about working and making good decisions...but that assumes everything goes perfectly, it's hard to crawl out of setbacks you cannot control sometimes. Also, what kind of life is that anyway? Is that what we should have to bust our ass for? Struggling just to make it below your means? It seems like the work to outcome ratio is a bit skewed, but that's just me.