Obamacare upheld!! BUSH SCOTUS APPOINTEE John Roberts is the swing vote!!!

[Johnfromokc]

John Roberts........Whoda thunk it???

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/supreme-court-issue-obamacare-decision-135554880.html

 

[Alien Allen]

I really am surprised

But not shocked

The SC long has abandoned following the constitution

No need to change now

 

[CityGirl]

It's Bush's fault!

Sorry, I can't help but see the humor in this. The left-right paradigm exists only to divide the people while the kingpins on top do as it behooves them.

 

[Tim]

I really am surprised

But not shocked

The SC long has abandoned following the constitution

No need to change now

Doesn't the constitution give the power of taxation to the federal government?

So if anything, the SC upheld the constitution...

 

[retro]

Doesn't the constitution give the power of taxation to the federal government?

So if anything, the SC upheld the constitution...

If the legislation mandated that everyone has to use a government funded and run health care, then your argument would hold water... but that's not the case.

 

[Kyle B]

The big question I have is: do those who will have to pay this fine get health care coverage?

 

[Tim]

The big question I have is: do those who will have to pay this fine get health care coverage?

No, you won't get health coverage by paying the tax.

 

[Kyle B]

No, you won't get health coverage by paying the tax.

Will people who can't afford health-care coverage get assistance or something?

 

[Tim]

Yes, if you can't afford health insurance you will get assistance to do so.

You only need to buy a catastrophic health insurance policy to avoid the added tax. Those can be bought very inexpensively, but they only cover major events.

 

[darkcgi]

supposedly the obama binladin care was passed
according to the radio

 

[Accountable]

By inventing a severability clause that was not written into the law, and adjusting/reinterpreting the language of that law, the court has once again entered the realm of legislating from the bench. The dissenting opinion agrees:

The Court today decides to save a statute Congress did not write. It rules that what the statute declares to be a requirement with a penalty is instead an option subject to a tax. And it changes the intentionally coercive sanction of a total cut-off of Medicaid funds to a supposedly noncoercive cut-off of only the incremental funds that the Act makes available.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

 

[Kyle B]

From what I've been reading. Obamacare will expand Medicaid to cover more people. But if you still don't qualify for medicaid you're out of luck. If you don't get healthcare from your job, you'll have to pay outrageous premiums or be slapped with a fine. But you can avoid the fine by buying the cheapest health insurance, which is way worse than medicaid. Seems to hardly fix the healthcare problem in the US.

 

[Accountable]

From what I've been reading. Obamacare will expand Medicaid to cover more people. But if you still don't qualify for medicaid you're out of luck. If you don't get healthcare from your job, you'll have to pay outrageous premiums or be slapped with a fine. But you can avoid the fine by buying the cheapest health insurance, which is way worse than medicaid. Seems to hardly fix the healthcare problem in the US.

What is the healthcare problem in the US, exactly?

 

[retro]

I was thinking earlier today... they ruled that the mandate can stand because it is a tax. Now, taxes have to pass congress with a 2/3 majority, Obamacare did not have a 2/3 majority. So legally, shouldn't the legislation go back to Congress at this point?

 

[Kyle B]

What is the healthcare problem in the US, exactly?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's the millions of uninsured?!?!

 

[Maulds]

But if the quality of the healthcare offered is good, but millions are un-insured wouldnt that be an insurance problem and not a healthcare problem?

 

[Kyle B]

But if the quality of the healthcare offered is good, but millions are un-insured wouldnt that be an insurance problem and not a healthcare problem?

Well, healthcare is provided by insurance companies. I suppose you could also say it's a lack-of-healthcare problem.

I read something on reddit, confirming what Tim said about assistance for paying for health insurance. The post on reddit said a huge portion would be subsidized by the government, but I can't find info on that. I'm poor at googling lol.

 

[retro]

Well, healthcare is provided by insurance companies. I suppose you could also say it's a lack-of-healthcare problem.

I read something on reddit, confirming what Tim said about assistance for paying for health insurance. The post on reddit said a huge portion would be subsidized by the government, but I can't find info on that. I'm poor at googling lol.

No... payment for health care is provided by insurance companies. You can get healthcare without insurance, so it's not a healthcare problem, or a lack of, or anything. It's an entitlement problem.

 

[Accountable]

Dang! y'all beat me to it.

 

[Accountable]

I was thinking earlier today... they ruled that the mandate can stand because it is a tax. Now, taxes have to pass congress with a 2/3 majority, Obamacare did not have a 2/3 majority. So legally, shouldn't the legislation go back to Congress at this point?

Excellent point, retro! Isn't that why they were so insistent that it wasn't a tax?