Obama to limit domestic oil production, continue more aggressive stem cell research

[SgtSpike]

I really hope this isn't true...

(link) Obama plans quick use of executive power - International Herald Tribune

Apparently, Obama thinks it's a good idea to STOP the progression of domestic oil production. Yeah, nice job, let's let the environmentalists win again at the cost of $$$ at the pump.

Also, more stem cell research? I'm not sure what the rest of you think about abortion and stem cell research, but to me, it's murder. Just wish other people would see it that way...

So far, I'm royally disappointed with Obama. :willy_nilly:

 

[dt3]

Re: Obama to limit domestic oil production, continue more aggressive stem cell resear

There are ways now to cultivate stem cells without taking them from a fetus.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Re: Obama to limit domestic oil production, continue more aggressive stem cell resear

I really hope this isn't true...

(link) Obama plans quick use of executive power - International Herald Tribune

Apparently, Obama thinks it's a good idea to STOP the progression of domestic oil production. Yeah, nice job, let's let the environmentalists win again at the cost of $$$ at the pump.

Also, more stem cell research? I'm not sure what the rest of you think about abortion and stem cell research, but to me, it's murder. Just wish other people would see it that way...

So far, I'm royally disappointed with Obama. :willy_nilly:

I can't help but wonder where this shit is coming from? I mean, I don't believe in his politics, but damn he hasn't even spent the night inthe White House yet, his cabinet isn't put in place yet, and already there is news about his policies?

I just doubt anything that he hasn't actually stated yet, way too early in the game. And anyone who doesn't think domestic oil production needs to happen simply for the purpose of cutting out dangerous countries is an idiot, I don't care where he went to college or what he/she studied.

 

[Tim]

Re: Obama to limit domestic oil production, continue more aggressive stem cell resear

I really hope this isn't true...

(link) Obama plans quick use of executive power - International Herald Tribune

Apparently, Obama thinks it's a good idea to STOP the progression of domestic oil production. Yeah, nice job, let's let the environmentalists win again at the cost of $$$ at the pump.

Also, more stem cell research? I'm not sure what the rest of you think about abortion and stem cell research, but to me, it's murder. Just wish other people would see it that way...

So far, I'm royally disappointed with Obama. :willy_nilly:

Facts, get your facts straight before posting...

Obama was talking about reversing Bush's policy on oil exploration in national parks, that's all.
And on stem cell research, he wants to make it possible for science to use the blastocysts that would have been thrown away anyway. There is no policy out there where fetuses would be aborted for science. Abortion and stem cell research aren't correlated in anyway.

 

[SgtSpike]

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Facts, get your facts straight before posting...

Obama was talking about reversing Bush's policy on oil exploration in national parks, that's all.
And on stem cell research, he wants to make it possible for science to use the blastocysts that would have been thrown away anyway. There is no policy out there where fetuses would be aborted for science. Abortion and stem cell research aren't correlated in anyway.

Which is ridiculous. If there's oil in national parks, we should get it! We have developed some of the most unobtrusive oil drilling and pumping techniques ever, and we should be using them. America NEEDS oil so we can get the price of gas down and get the economy back on its feet.

And good point on the fetuses, I wasn't aware of the process. I was wrong, I'll admit it.

 

[Tim]

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Which is ridiculous. If there's oil in national parks, we should get it! We have developed some of the most unobtrusive oil drilling and pumping techniques ever, and we should be using them. America NEEDS oil so we can get the price of gas down and get the economy back on its feet.

And good point on the fetuses, I wasn't aware of the process. I was wrong, I'll admit it.

National parks in the US account for about 3% of our total acreage. That's not a lot. There is plenty of land out there that can be drilled for oil. Not to mention all of the off shore sites.
I could understand if half the US was designated as national parks, but that isn't the case.

 

[SgtSpike]

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National parks in the US account for about 3% of our total acreage. That's not a lot. There is plenty of land out there that can be drilled for oil. Not to mention all of the off shore sites.
I could understand if half the US was designated as national parks, but that isn't the case.

I don't know the specifics of the situation, but oil isn't everywhere. If there was oil under every square acre of land, I'm sure we wouldn't have to look at national parks as an option, but there isn't.

At this point, I'll take lower prices at the pump in exchange for a little ugliness at a couple national parks. I firmly believe that gas prices are what led this country into a recession, and gas prices are one of the few things that can lead us out of it.

 

[Rapc]

Re: Obama to limit domestic oil production, continue more aggressive stem cell resear

bring the price of oil prices down in the US? are you having a laugh, the fuel prices in the US are dead cheap compared to like the UK: NationMaster - Gasoline prices (most recent) by country

I really don't get whats wrong with stem cell research either, the amount of medical improvements we could get from doing it is quite extreme providing enough research goes into it. As previously mentioned, they are not aborting babies in order to study the stem cells.

 

[Alien Allen]

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one concern I have with the National Park thing is that the enviros could push to have any area designated a National Park potentially to prevent drilling even if it could be done responsibly

As mentioned the drilling practices now are a small footprint. So rather than to make it an across the board issue I would rather see it dealt with on a case by case basis. Not sure for example I would want to see a boatload of drilling rigs etc in the Grand Canyon or next to Old Faithful. Seems like there should be a middle ground. One thing that can not be done is to do anything to slow down finding alternative fuels. We can not afford to be beholden to oil.

As to stem cell I am one who is strongly in favor of it in most any fashion. If a woman wants an abortion she should have the right to donate it the same as any organ. Some of you are pro life and I am pro choice so I understand if you disagree. Lets face it none of us will agree on everything.

 

[SgtSpike]

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one concern I have with the National Park thing is that the enviros could push to have any area designated a National Park potentially to prevent drilling even if it could be done responsibly

As mentioned the drilling practices now are a small footprint. So rather than to make it an across the board issue I would rather see it dealt with on a case by case basis. Not sure for example I would want to see a boatload of drilling rigs etc in the Grand Canyon or next to Old Faithful. Seems like there should be a middle ground. One thing that can not be done is to do anything to slow down finding alternative fuels. We can not afford to be beholden to oil.

As to stem cell I am one who is strongly in favor of it in most any fashion. If a woman wants an abortion she should have the right to donate it the same as any organ. Some of you are pro life and I am pro choice so I understand if you disagree. Lets face it none of us will agree on everything.

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you on the national parks... there needs to be a middle ground. I think national monuments such as the examples you presented should be always exempt from drilling, etc, unless it can be done completely transparently at some point in the future, but a standard forest or plains or whatever else should be able to be opened up for drilling.

And yeah, I'm not expecting to change anyone's mind about the pro-life pro-choice argument. It'd make an interesting poll though...

 

[Minor Axis]

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I can't help but wonder where this shit is coming from? I mean, I don't believe in his politics, but damn he hasn't even spent the night inthe White House yet, his cabinet isn't put in place yet, and already there is news about his policies?

I just doubt anything that he hasn't actually stated yet, way too early in the game. And anyone who doesn't think domestic oil production needs to happen simply for the purpose of cutting out dangerous countries is an idiot, I don't care where he went to college or what he/she studied.

A whole cast of characters want the President Elect to fail. So much for putting country first when really it is putting ideology first for so many (not an accusation).

As Dt3 said, stem cells and fetuses should no longer be the issue it once was due to advances in technology.

 

[Minor Axis]

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Which is ridiculous. If there's oil in national parks, we should get it! We have developed some of the most unobtrusive oil drilling and pumping techniques ever, and we should be using them. America NEEDS oil so we can get the price of gas down and get the economy back on its feet.

We could pump every drop of oil in the country and not have enough. There are thousands of existing oil leases that are not being exercised. "Drill Baby Drill" was just a losing Republican slogan...

 

[SgtSpike]

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We could pump every drop of oil in the country and not have enough. There are thousands of existing oil leases that are not being exercised. "Drill Baby Drill" was just a losing Republican slogan...

So you're saying we shouldn't pump any? Great solution. :thumbup

 

[Hans]

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Almost all interesting political actions happen immediatly, this shouldnt be a suprise. If it flops, people will forget in time forthe next election. Clinton did very similar things involving homosexuality in the military.

As for my feelings, I believe that energy/oil conservation is a must, but it is not the time do limit oil production, unless he can keep oil prices reasonably low. The current economy should be concern over nature right now. This doesnt mean stuff a dick in mother earths ass, but it also means we shouldnt ruin our economy. He should rather invest his time and effort into creating other energy options, such as windmills off the eastern seaboard, hybridized cars, more hydroelectric power. Many of the technolgoies are here, we just need to take advantage of them.

As for stim-cell research, nothing should be sacrificed in the name of sciece, but if it is SAFELY availble (as mentioned above), it wouldnt hurt to figure out if we can make peoples lives better. Obviously, ethical lines are needed. We CANNOT confuse our realm with that of god (a saying, not a religious term). Even if you do not believe in god, it seems folly to try to create life where it shouldnt or see the future in cells/tandem repeats/dna fingerprints. We have to not mess with mother nature, because she always wins.

 

[Wookiegirl]

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I can't help but wonder where this shit is coming from? I mean, I don't believe in his politics, but damn he hasn't even spent the night inthe White House yet, his cabinet isn't put in place yet, and already there is news about his policies?

I just doubt anything that he hasn't actually stated yet, way too early in the game. And anyone who doesn't think domestic oil production needs to happen simply for the purpose of cutting out dangerous countries is an idiot, I don't care where he went to college or what he/she studied.

:homo: :homo: :nod:

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

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From someone who works for "big oil"

Me

We can produce enough to at least begin to limit the amount of imported oil, long enough to develop an alternative fuel strategy.

And the reason we aren't already "Drilling Baby Drilling"

Is because of enviro-lobby and House Dems, it wasn't just the drum beat of the republicans, it should be the drum beat of anyone who wants to limit monies sent to the middle east.

 

[Strauss]

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And on stem cell research, he wants to make it possible for science to use the blastocysts that would have been thrown away anyway. There is no policy out there where fetuses would be aborted for science. Abortion and stem cell research aren't correlated in anyway.

The stem cell research is a red herring now with the discovery of other cells that can be used rather then those from aborted fetuses. Frankly, it will only be the federal government that funds this type of research because the private researchers long ago gave up attempting to find anything profitable from using these types of cells. If there was money to be made there would have been a hue and cry from the bio-tech industry, as you note they are silent because they know such research is a bottomless hole to which they are not going to invest the money, the time or the resources. Even NIH doesn't care. I'm surrounded by these PHds working at both NIH, Human Genome and the like and they find the current debate humorous.

 

[Alien Allen]

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The stem cell research is a red herring now with the discovery of other cells that can be used rather then those from aborted fetuses. Frankly, it will only be the federal government that funds this type of research because the private researchers long ago gave up attempting to find anything profitable from using these types of cells. If there was money to be made there would have been a hue and cry from the bio-tech industry, as you note they are silent because they know such research is a bottomless hole to which they are not going to invest the money, the time or the resources. Even NIH doesn't care. I'm surrounded by these PHds working at both NIH, Human Genome and the like and they find the current debate humorous.

Interesting

Who is driving the bus on this then???

 

[Tim]

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But the debate was never about fetal stem cells, the debate specifically talked about embryonic stem cells.
The cells from 7 to 10 day old blastocysts not from aborted fetuses.

 

[Strauss]

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Interesting

Who is driving the bus on this then???

The libs, who else. Seriously, if there was money to be made by using stem cells from an abortion who do you think we would hearing the loudest from? I posted an article at the other site from the president of one of these start up gene company and, in essence, his position was and is, who cares!