No victimless crime? ... Really?

[Goat Whisperer]

I do agree. As ridiculous as some laws are, there were put down on paper for some reason. Whether we agree or disagree with them, they are there and were written to protect something, someone, or some ideal.

Just like weed was made illegal to stop hemp from being used and how it's illegal not to drink milk or fish on horseback in utah :24:

 

[keano]

Not having a feckin TV Licence!!
Seriously we have to pay €165+ for a TV licence to get crap and its not like the BBC where they have no ad's.

Not paying your TV licence is a victimless crime, they make a fortune from advertising revenue and dont make any shows of real quality, they just buy american shows, that you can watch on any network.

We have to pay the damn thing cause of the BBC....:mad

 

[Accountable]

Just like weed was made illegal to stop hemp from being used and how it's illegal not to drink milk or fish on horseback in utah :24:

Drinking milk on horseback can be messy, but how do you drink fish?

 

[JanieDough]

what I meant was - sure there are crimes with out actual victims
BUT you can't say pot should be legallized because it is a victimless crime to smoke pot
or that suicide shouldn't be illegal because it is redundant to try convict the person for killing themselves

BUT those are crimes against society - our society has decided we shouldn't smoke dope or kill ourselves

but in japan it is not only legal but honorable right? to kill yourself?

and smoking dope is legal in other places where those societies have decided it was ok.

I think I went into some of this with my original post, but it wasn't quoted with my statement

 

[Accountable]

what I meant was - sure there are crimes with out actual victims
BUT you can't say pot should be legallized because it is a victimless crime to smoke pot
or that suicide shouldn't be illegal because it is redundant to try convict the person for killing themselves

BUT those are crimes against society - our society has decided we shouldn't smoke dope or kill ourselves

but in japan it is not only legal but honorable right? to kill yourself?

and smoking dope is legal in other places where those societies have decided it was ok.

I think I went into some of this with my original post, but it wasn't quoted with my statement

Got it. Yes you mentioned in the original post that society is the victim in any crime. I guess what I'm trying to get at is do we want our society to claim something as a crime if no citizens are actually victimized.

I mean, is placing excessive restrictions just as damaging to society or more so than some of these 'victimless' crimes? Have we struck our balance right, or do we need to make adjustments?

 

[JanieDough]

yeah but a 8 yr old kid seeing a woman selling herself in a window is a sort of crime on the 8 year old.

the morals are damaged - least this is how govt sees it

 

[Peter Parka]

yeah but a 8 yr old kid seeing a woman selling herself in a window is a sort of crime on the 8 year old.

the morals are damaged - least this is how govt sees it

In countries where prostitution is legal, you need planning permission, meaning brothels like that are set up in red light areas, meaning an 8 year old wont get to see them, unlike countries where it's illegal and working girls ply their trade wherever they can.

 

[JanieDough]

In countries where prostitution is legal, you need planning permission, meaning brothels like that are set up in red light areas, meaning an 8 year old wont get to see them, unlike countries where it's illegal and working girls ply their trade wherever they can.

well it could still be demoralizing

like take your daughter to work day or career fairs

i mean no one wants their daughter to be a prostitute when she grows up because we all recognize it as a demoralized career path

so why would we as society want to make it ok by legallizing it?

although you could argue that just by legallizing it we are not necessarily making it ok.

 

[Margene]

well it could still be demoralizing

like take your daughter to work day or career fairs

i mean no one wants their daughter to be a prostitute when she grows up because we all recognize it as a demoralized career path

so why would we as society want to make it ok by legallizing it?

although you could argue that just by legallizing it we are not necessarily making it ok.

Do you mean a pro would take her daughter to work or it would be presented at a career fair? I doubt anyone would do that.

Or that she might see it on the way to those events?


You are right, legalizing it does not automatically make it ok, but the argument is that in legalizing it, it is made safer for those women who earn their living as prostitutes and less likely they will be exploited as the government can protect them.

 

[Peter Parka]

well it could still be demoralizing

like take your daughter to work day or career fairs

i mean no one wants their daughter to be a prostitute when she grows up because we all recognize it as a demoralized career path

so why would we as society want to make it ok by legallizing it?

although you could argue that just by legallizing it we are not necessarily making it ok.

Just checked with my Australian wife who quite catagorically informs me that you dont get prostitution stalls at job fairs over there! :24:

 

[Accountable]

Just checked with my Australian wife who quite catagorically informs me that you dont get prostitution stalls at job fairs over there! :24:

:24:

i mean no one wants their daughter to be a prostitute when she grows up because we all recognize it as a demoralized career path

Nobody wants their kid to be a garbage collector, either, but the kid should be free to make that choice.

 

[dt3]

well it could still be demoralizing

like take your daughter to work day or career fairs

i mean no one wants their daughter to be a prostitute when she grows up because we all recognize it as a demoralized career path

so why would we as society want to make it ok by legallizing it?

although you could argue that just by legallizing it we are not necessarily making it ok.

Can't be all that demoralizing to get a 6 figure income. There was a girl here recently in the news who sold her virginity (in Nevada where it's legal) to pay for her and her sister's masters degrees. :dunno

 

[Accountable]

How many copies did she sell ? :24:

 

[JanieDough]

yeah but no one thinks it is immoral to be a garbage collector

look if i could sell my body i probably would but would society approve? not this puritanical american society

therefore it is illegal

 

[Accountable]

yeah but no one thinks it is immoral to be a garbage collector

look if i could sell my body i probably would but would society approve? not this puritanical american society

therefore it is illegal

Yet porn is legal. Go figger. :humm:

If a prostitute brings her own camcorder .............

 

[JanieDough]

porn is illegal in some areas

it is illegal where i live. You have to go outside of city limits to get it. And you have to go outside of city limits to gamble

I may not agree with it, but it is because my society has decided they don't want that here.

 

[Accountable]

I lived in Las Vegas for awhile. gambling's legal all over the state, and prostitution's legal everywhere except in Las Vegas. I suppose they're concerned about attracting a criminal element.