Mushrooms get banned!

[Reaver]

I was talking about all drugs in general, but mushrooms, though they are not as dangerous as LSD and other "psychedelic" drugs, you gotta think that they are not good either... how can something that makes you see something that is not there be good? how can seeing something affect you psychologically? I'd be more than careful with hallucinogenic drugs. Some people are not in good mental health conditions to experiment with those.

LSD is not toxic either. the amount you would have to ingest to kill you almost astronomical.

Most psychedelics do almost no damage whatsoever to the brain unless taken very frequently or in huge doses. In addition, as long as you mentally prepare yourself ahead of time, the chance of a bad trip is very small too. moderation is the key, as it is with most things. Psychedelics are even used in forms of psychotherapy, to help patients with various levels of psychosis. The only thing really bad that can come of hallucinogens is a possible triggering of psychosis, but a person must already have dormant psychosis for it to be triggered.

and there are some things it's better not to experience.

doing mushrooms and LSD were two of the greatest experiences of my life. Both opened my mind farther than I had ever thought possible. Doing those substances literally made me rethink my life and made me the person I am today. Before I had a very short temper, and was fairly unexcepting of most people, but since my experiences, I have changed both of those problems. Psychedelics are not something I would do weekly, or even monthly, but I definitely believe that they are something that anyone who has ever wondered about them should try, at least once.

then again, it's everyones personal choice to either do substances or not, so I respect your right to never do them...

 

[Breath]

Mushroom and swiss burger anyone? (You may ignore this comment and I do apologize for its complete lack of relevance to the topic, but I got hungry.)

 

[Maritxu]

LSD is not toxic either. the amount you would have to ingest to kill you almost astronomical.

Most psychedelics do almost no damage whatsoever to the brain unless taken very frequently or in huge doses. moderation is the key, as it is with most things. Psychedelics are even used in forms of psychotherapy, to help patients with various levels of psychosis. The only thing really bad that can come of hallucinogens is a possible triggering of psychosis, but a person must already have dormant psychosis for it to be triggered.

I wasn't talking about death, there are far worst things than death.
And I am not saying they can't be used for good things. I think you are over interpreting my words. I said very clearly why I wouldn't take them, it doesn't matter that I think that they are made from poison and when you see one you die.
And right there is the problem with drugs. It's hard to be moderate with them for some individuals.

 

[Reaver]

Mushroom and swiss burger anyone? (You may ignore this comment and I do apologize for its complete lack of relevance to the topic, but I got hungry.)

sounds delicious actually.

 

[Maritxu]

Mushroom and swiss burger anyone? (You may ignore this comment and I do apologize for its complete lack of relevance to the topic, but I got hungry.)

actually hun, I bet you are here the one that knows the most about this drugs because of your career. I only know some things and of course most of it is based on psychological effects and prevention.

 

[Reaver]

I wasn't talking about death, there are far worst things than death.
And I am not saying they can't be used for good things. I think you are over interpreting my words. I said very clearly why I wouldn't take them, it doesn't matter that I think that they are made from poison and when you see one you die.
And right there is the problem with drugs. It's hard to be moderate with them for some individuals.

that is the dilemma with any substance you put in your body, everything can be fine in moderation. But some people become dependent far too easily and get trapped in a vicious cycle. :willy_nilly:

sry if I over interpreted your words, I'm not trying to be mean or assert that my opinion is the only correct one, I'm just trying to present some known facts about psychedelics

 

[Maritxu]

The only thing really bad that can come of hallucinogens is a possible triggering of psychosis, but a person must already have dormant psychosis for it to be triggered.

I was rather talking about this. I have met people who developed paranoia related disorders too. A risk I don't want to take thank you.

doing mushrooms and LSD were two of the greatest experiences of my life. Both opened my mind farther than I had ever thought possible. Doing those substances literally made me rethink my life and made me the person I am today. Before I had a very short temper, and was fairly unexcepting of most people, but since my experiences, I have changed both of those problems. Psychedelics are not something I would do weekly, or even monthly, but I definitely believe that they are something that anyone who has ever wondered about them should try, at least once.

Well, that is your choice. I do not need drugs to open my mind further. I am a very open minded person already and question my own self pretty much. I would never give the advice you gave though, because for some people, it will mean a nightmare and I don't want to be responsible for that.

then again, it's everyones personal choice to either do substances or not, so I respect your right to never do them...

As I respect yours. just take care please.

 

[Peter Parka]

And right there is the problem with drugs. It's hard to be moderate with them for some individuals.

Spot on. Any drug will be misused. I am pretty sure Holland has more accidents and hospitalisations that happen through alcohol missuse than mushrooms but I don't see them rushing to ban alcohol because of it.

 

[Maritxu]

that is the dilemma with any substance you put in your body, everything can be fine in moderation. But some people become dependent far too easily and get trapped in a vicious cycle. :willy_nilly:

sry if I over interpreted your words, I'm not trying to be mean or assert that my opinion is the only correct one, I'm just trying to present some known facts about psychedelics

Actually we know the same facts except I have never done any of them. We agreed on everything you said about them actually, that's why I was saying you were reading too far or asumming I had an irrational hatred towards drugs. I have balanced in my mind if I want to take them or not, if I am curious enough, if it's worth it and if I need them and I got to my own personal conclusion, that's the only thing I wanted to state.

 

[Reaver]

As I respect yours. just take care please.

no worries

 

[Maritxu]

Spot on. Any drug will be misused. I am pretty sure Holland has more accidents and hospitalisations that happen through alcohol missuse than mushrooms but I don't see them rushing to ban alcohol because of it.

In my second year of Uni I took an special course on drugs and prevention. Believe me that one of the drugs that freaked me out the most was alcohol...

 

[Peter Parka]

Agreed! I've talked to a few dealers of all sorts of drugs in my time and all of them said the worse drug to take up is alcohol!
Maybe I just got a bit of a warped sense of humour but I do find it quite funny that while we are sitting here discussing mushrooms and the dangers of it, there are other people in other parts of the forum getting rather drunk on a worse drug!

 

[Maritxu]

Yep, and I am not legally allowed to smoke a joint when I have PMS. That would make me happy

 

[Peter Parka]

I wish my missus would smoke a joint when she has PMS.

 

[Maritxu]

I miss Amsterdam... I don't like smoking much because I have asthma, so i loveeeeeeeee space cake... yummy
Seriously, it's the best against the pain, and it makes me laugh the whole time (also because I take it very very rarely)

 

[Peter Parka]

My mum went to Amsterdam recently with an old biddy friend of hers. The're both quite innocent about certain things and I was rather hoping they would go into a coffee shop for coffee and cake! Apparently though they were window shopping in lengerie shops for a while before they realised the dummies were real and twigged what the shops were!:24:

 

[Maritxu]

bwahahahaha! I had a blast in that city, I love every single thing about it and space cake is no exception. They have the nicest brownies there ever...
And even the coffe shops are gorgeous in the inside. Such a freakin' wonderful city. I want to speak dutch so I can move there

 

[Reaver]

Agreed! I've talked to a few dealers of all sorts of drugs in my time and all of them said the worse drug to take up is alcohol!
Maybe I just got a bit of a warped sense of humour but I do find it quite funny that while we are sitting here discussing mushrooms and the dangers of it, there are other people in other parts of the forum getting rather drunk on a worse drug!

quoted for truth.

I love arguing marijuana v. alcohol, because it really isn't even an argument.

Also, I really hope i can go to amsterdam before i die. either that or ill just have to make some more of my own space cake.

 

[Homer]

it's really sucks they'd make them illegal because someone offs them self i know people that did them 100 times without any problems , i don't really think mushrooms were the problem.

 

[GraceAbounds]

Oh goodness they are banning the use of some drugs. What is this world coming to?!