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AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - The Netherlands will ban the sale of hallucinogenic mushrooms, the government announced Friday, tightening the country’s famed liberal drug policies after the suicide of an intoxicated teenage girl. The ban — in response to the death and other highly publicized adverse reactions involving the fungus — is the latest backlash against the freewheeling policies of the past.

Mushrooms “will be outlawed the same way as other drugs,” Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin told reporters in The Hague. “The way we will enforce the ban is through targeting sellers.” Psilocybin, the main active chemical in the mushrooms, has been illegal under international law since 1971. However, fresh mushrooms continued to be sold legally in the Netherlands along with herbal medicines in so-called “smart-shops,” on the theory that it was impossible to determine how much psilocybin any given mushroom contains.
That meant mushrooms were less regulated than marijuana, which is technically illegal but sold openly in small amounts in “coffee shops.” Possession of “hard” drugs like cocaine, LSD and Ecstasy is illegal.


Outright ban a surprise
The government has cracked down on hard drugs and tightened controls on marijuana. It was expected to do the same with mushrooms after the death of 17-year-old Gaelle Caroff, who had suffered from psychological problems before her death in March. She jumped from a building after eating psychedelic mushrooms while on a school visit.
But the outright ban came as a surprise: The government had solicited advice from vendors, advocacy groups and the city of Amsterdam, which benefits greatly from drug-related tourism, on how to improve the situation.
Mushroom vendors suggested stricter ID controls to prevent underage buyers, and strong warnings against mixing mushrooms with other drugs.
Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen had suggested a three-day “cooling off” period between ordering them and using them.

The Justice Ministry decided those measures did not go far enough.
The problem with mushrooms is that “it’s impossible to estimate what amount will have what effect,” spokesman Wim Van der Weegen said.
Around 500,000 “doses” of packaged mushrooms are sold in the Netherlands annually. According to a study published in January by Amsterdam’s health services, the city’s emergency services were summoned 148 times to deal with a bad reaction to mushrooms in 2004-2006. Of those 134 were foreigners, with Britons forming the largest group.
Other nations outlaw mushrooms
Denmark outlawed mushrooms in 2001, Japan in 2002, Britain in 2005 and Ireland in 2006. Selling psilocybin-containing mushrooms is illegal in the U.S., but the status varies from state to state for spores, homegrown and wild species.
Marjan Heuving, a spokeswoman for the country’s Trimbos Institute, a drug policy think-tank, said mushrooms are not toxic and themselves pose no physical risk to users.
But she agreed that people’s reaction to them is unpredictable, depending on factors such as weight; how much food they have eaten recently; their past drug experience; psychological health; and the setting in which they are taken.
“The main danger to the user is that he will somehow hurt himself,” she said. “I should add that that’s extremely rare.”
Growers targeted for prosecution
Coffee shops in the southern city of Maastricht have begun demanding fingerprints from customers to ensure they aren’t buying too much in one day.
Growers, including household growers, have been more aggressively targeted for prosecution.The Netherlands remains a major Ecstasy producer, but has won praise from Washington for the crackdown. Seizures of a ton or more of cocaine from ships docking in the Port of Rotterdam — Europe’s largest — have become routine.
Murat Kucuksen, whose farm Procare supplies about half the psychedelic mushrooms on the Dutch market, predicted the trade will move underground as a result of the ban. Prices will rise, and dealers will sell dried mushrooms, or LSD as a substitute, to tourists with no guidance.
“So you’ll have a rise in incidents but they won’t be recorded as mushroom-related, and the politicians can declare victory,” he said.
 
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This sucks IMO. I know that I'm probably going to have a lot of you not like me but I like Mushrooms and I think this blows...
 

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What????? when I was in Amsterdam I didn't try them and now I never will? :(
J/k I wouldn't want to mess with my brain in that way really...
 

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I don't know if bad trips are worth it (speaking about drugs in general) I think I'd rather ive my whole life with a healthy brain than risking that over a good couple of hours... or bad couple of hours=
 

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Nevermind, I'll just have to carry on picking them in the woods or buying them dried from a dealer who is very easy to come by instead of getting the ferry over to Amsterdam. Dosen't really affect me too much to be honest. No government will ever be able to enforce drugs being sold illegally and the sooner they realise that and stop, the better.
 

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Hehe! Slightly off point but still an interesting true fact. The reason the vikings were such nutty fighters when they invaded us was because they used to eat the mushrooms in the wood to send them into a frenzy, apparently if they couldn't find any enemies they used to attack each other and even trees sometimes! Straight up!:D
 

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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 

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I don't know if bad trips are worth it (speaking about drugs in general) I think I'd rather ive my whole life with a healthy brain than risking that over a good couple of hours... or bad couple of hours=

except magic mushrooms aren't poisonous and don't damage your brain...
 

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except magic mushrooms aren't poisonous and don't damage your brain...
I was talking about all drugs in general, but mushrooms, though they are not as dangerous as LSD and other "psychedelic" drugs, you gotta think that they are not good either... how can something that makes you see something that is not there be good? how can seeing something affect you psychologically? I'd be more than careful with hallucinogenic drugs. Some people are not in good mental health conditions to experiment with those.
 

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I guess the Dutch don't agree with you. Marihuana is largely harmless. For what I know on the subject I can't say the same about any other drug, much less alcohol.
 

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In small amounts it causes no damage, if it's abused it could. But, thats the same with any substance.
I agree but you are forgetting about the psychological effects of the drugs. I have heard pretty sad stories of people who have a time forgetting even the first time they tried any hallucinogenic drug
 

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The problem with some drugs like ecstasy and mushrooms is that they are dangerous if you don't know what you're doing and how much and of what to take. However, they are relatively safe if you actually make sure you know what you're doing first. A lot of people trip on toadstoods which arn't true magic mushrooms, they don't have the same ingredients which make you trip in them as true MMs and are a lot more dangerous for instance.
This is another reason making them illegal is silly, the information you need about them won't be as openly available and tourists buying them still in Holland, which they will still do, will be getting all sorts of shit from rip off dealers.
 

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I am not necessarily against making all drugs legal... actually I'd vote today to make marihuana legal in my country, but I know better and there are some things it's better not to experience.
 

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Hey, I get what you're saying and I respect peoples right not to take drugs as much as I respect peoples right to take them if thats what they want. I was just pointing out that with some drugs there's a lot of propaganda against them to scare monger. All drugs are dangerous but with a lot of them it depends on the level of danger largely on how responsible you are using them. A person who drinks an occasional glass of wine and a person who downs a bottle of scotch a day are both doing the same drug but I don't need to tell you the considerable variation of risks they are taking by doing the same drug.:)
 
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