Mormons?

[GraceAbounds]

If I believe that a statement DOES apply to the church AS I SAW IT and applies to other "Christian denominations" as well I will colour it BLUE.

The church teaches same-sex-oriented people that they inherently evil.

Young people are taught that being sexual before marriage will ruin them permanently.

A believing spouse is often counseled to divorce a non-believing one.

First I want to say that no Christian church I have been to teaches any of these things.

Second I will address each one individually.

The church teaches same-sex-oriented people that they inherently evil.

The Bible states that homosexual activities are a sin and the church of course teaches God's Word. The church does not however teach that homosexuals are evil. If you are in a church that does, I would highly suggest you correcting it's wrong stance or leaving that church.

Young people are taught that being sexual before marriage will ruin them permanently.

Again, if you are in a church that teaches this, then change their stance based on Biblical perspective or leave. No one is ever ruined permanently with Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. A person that has sex before marriage may be hurting themselves, hurting others, disobeying God (sinning), but it does not mean they are ruined permanently.

A believing spouse is often counseled to divorce a non-believing one.

The Bible specifically teaches the opposite of this. So again if you are in a church teaching this, please lovingly set them straight.

 

[hottubho]

First I want to say that no Christian church I have been to teaches any of these things.

Second I will address each one individually.
The Bible states that homosexual activities are a sin and the church of course teaches God's Word. The church does not however teach that homosexuals are evil. If you are in a church that does, I would highly suggest you correcting it's wrong stance or leaving that church.

Again, if you are in a church that teaches this, then change their stance based on Biblical perspective or leave. No one is ever ruined permanently with Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. A person that has sex before marriage may be hurting themselves, hurting others, disobeying God (sinning), but it does not mean they are ruined permanently.

The Bible specifically teaches the opposite of this. So again if you are in a church teaching this, please lovingly set them straight.

:homo:

 

[Andre]

The Bible states that homosexual activities are a sin and the church of course teaches God's Word. The church does not however teach that homosexuals are evil. If you are in a church that does, I would highly suggest you correcting it's wrong stance or leaving that church.

I don't think the Mormon church teaches that homosexual or bisexual people are inherently evil either - that's why I made the note "only from an original sin perspective" - i.e. that we are naturally inclined to sin. Neither the Mormon church or any other church I have ever been in has claimed in my presence that homosexual practices were the doings of an "evil person" - but were a sin. All I meant by the blue on that comment is that the extent to which Mormons denounce the practice hasn't seemed different to the way it has been treated in the mainstream churches I have attended.

Again, if you are in a church that teaches this, then change their stance based on Biblical perspective or leave. No one is ever ruined permanently with Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. A person that has sex before marriage may be hurting themselves, hurting others, disobeying God (sinning), but it does not mean they are ruined permanently.

I have been in a large, accepting and quite liberal Presbytarian church service, run by a very nice youngish minister and heard him advise young people not to have sex before they were married or they would be "shop-soiled". That is what I meant by ruined - not that it would ever ruin your chance of salvation of course.

The Bible specifically teaches the opposite of this. So again if you are in a church teaching this, please lovingly set them straight.

I have also been in a few different churches which have talked about the yoking of a believer to an unbeliever and that if such a relationship was likely to result in a loss of faith that it would be better to leave the relationship.

 

[GraceAbounds]

I don't think the Mormon church teaches that homosexual or bisexual people are inherently evil either - that's why I made the note "only from an original sin perspective" - i.e. that we are naturally inclined to sin. Neither the Mormon church or any other church I have ever been in has claimed in my presence that homosexual practices were the doings of an "evil person" - but were a sin. All I meant by the blue on that comment is that the extent to which Mormons denounce the practice hasn't seemed different to the way it has been treated in the mainstream churches I have attended.

Gotcha.

I have been in a large, accepting and quite liberal Presbytarian church service, run by a very nice youngish minister and heard him advise young people not to have sex before they were married or they would be "shop-soiled". That is what I meant by ruined - not that it would ever ruin your chance of salvation of course.

Sorry to hear that.

I have also been in a few different churches which have talked about the yoking of a believer to an unbeliever and that if such a relationship was likely to result in a loss of faith that it would be better to leave the relationship.

I can see that for folks that are not married yet. But for folks that are married, that is a different story.

* This is why it is so important for people that are serious about their spirituality to read and study God's Word for themselves. One needs to be able to identify if they are in a church that is teaching anything less than or more than God's Word. And when issues come up like this, we should feel comfortable to lovingly question the teacher in order to understand God's Word and also to take seriously the role of 'teacher of God's Word'. God forbid them to lead people astray. We should read, pray, and check things out for ourselves and measure it against God's Word and other mature believers that are visibly bearing fruit.

 

[Chieftan]

Any truth to that list of stuff I posted?



Where are those golden plates now? And when God chooses to make an appearance what possible good can it do showing himself to a lone individual in an apple orchard? God has terrible communication skills. Come to think of it, it's very convenient for self proclaimed messiah...



If the only goal is virtue, truth, and being a good person, maybe a comment is in order regarding the list of allegations I posted at the beginning of the thread.

Allegations, minor axis. Allegations means allegadly. Not factual. And it said in that comment you first made "Granted, it is BIASED." Now dont get me wrong, i dont condone mormones either. but ultimataly. Everybodys got their own fucked up philosiphy, even you and me. and as long as theyre not hurting anybody. i dont care. even if they want to be polygamist. Now, elders having relationsionships with teens. Now thats something i think may be questionable and worth talking bout, nothing virtous there, but is it true or not?

 

[Minor Axis]

Allegations, minor axis. Allegations means allegadly. Not factual. And it said in that comment you first made "Granted, it is BIASED." Now dont get me wrong, i dont condone mormones either. but ultimataly. Everybodys got their own fucked up philosiphy, even you and me. and as long as theyre not hurting anybody. i dont care. even if they want to be polygamist. Now, elders having relationsionships with teens. Now thats something i think may be questionable and worth talking bout, nothing virtous there, but is it true or not?

I don't care about polygamy either unless it involves elders having relations with minors. But some say that is what polygamy is all about. See this thread.

 

[Andre]

Polygamy was a practise of the Mormon church a long long time ago. It is not currently condoned by the main organisation or promoted as a practise by the Mormon church. There are small break-away groups (as in any religion really) that pick and choose their own rules and sometimes refer to themselves as Mormons.

HOWEVER! I am only referring to sexual earthly relationships. As a child I was exposed to an idea that men could be "bonded" in some way to multiple partners who would join them in the next life as "wives". I was never given specific information about this process and don't know the truth of it.

And there was certainly never any physical contact with minors in my experience and there is no way the organisation would condone such behaviour.

More damaging concepts in Mormonism are that in some sense God the Father used to be a man (in another universe?) and that humans on Earth who became Mormons and were very pious could expect to follow a progression after death that would see them on a par with God the Father - in complete control of their own systems. This was the impression I got as a young (but reasonably smart and inquiring) person.

 

[Svenb007]

I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints commonly referred to as the Mormon church, so if there are any unresolved Questions go ahead and ask me... i dont know everything and im not an official representative of the Church., but I did serve a mission for 2 years of my life and was raised in the church.

 

[porterjack]

I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints commonly referred to as the Mormon church, so if there are any unresolved Questions go ahead and ask me... i dont know everything and im not an official representative of the Church., but I did serve a mission for 2 years of my life and was raised in the church.

do you think Donny and Marie Osmond have secretly parented kids?

 

[hart]

do you think Donny and Marie Osmond have secretly parented kids?

Porter you are incorrigible :shock

 

[porterjack]

Porter you are incorrigible :shock

so spank me

 

[hart]

That would only encourage you

 

[BornReady]

One of my cousins lives in Utah. He says Mormons are very friendly and generous. But then I read in the news about so much Mormon child abuse. I would like to think they are just isolated cases but I don't know.

 

[doombug]

One of my cousins lives in Utah. He says Mormons are very friendly and generous. But then I read in the news about so much Mormon child abuse. I would like to think they are just isolated cases but I don't know.

Mormon child abuse?