Men vs. Women

[Numnum]

I just read a joke in the humour section and I started thinking...

I work in a law firm, and we do a lot of ministry work (child support, spousal support, blah blah)

ANYWAYS, if a client doesn't provide their yearly income, we take the median of incomes and their child support payments are based on that.

For women, the median is $36,000.00

For men, the median is $52,000.00

Why is this? The lines of work men more likely take? (ie, danger pay jobs, construction) or is it a double standard and women just aren't worth as much?

Opinions?

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Because men generally hold the higher skilled jobs. You can walk into any law firm here in town and there are maybe 3 women lawyers out of the firm of 50+.

That and more men leave their families while the child is best left in the care of the mother, so more men are paying child support to women than vice versa. Perhaps that average has something to do with it as well.

 

[Mystic]

...its because woman to this day still do not get equal pay to their male counter parts in a lot of jobs. Its still a fighting cause for womans groups around the world.- equity in pay.

 

[AUDRAA]

Because men generally hold the higher skilled jobs. You can walk into any law firm here in town and there are maybe 3 women lawyers out of the firm of 50+.

is this for real? statisitcs please........ higher skilled jobs meaning what? Because there are fewer lawyers in your area does that mean its a higher skilled job?

 

[AUDRAA]

...its because woman to this day still do not get equal pay to their male counter parts in a lot of jobs. Its still a fighting cause for womans groups around the world.- equity in pay.

I think this is more the case it doesnt have to do with skill at all IMO

 

[Numnum]

At my law firm, for example, there are 5 partners. only one is a woman. there are 12 lawyers in total, 3 are women.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

is this for real? statisitcs please........ higher skilled jobs meaning what? Because there are fewer lawyers in your area does that mean its a higher skilled job?

There is a lawfirm here in town called rothberg, logan and warsco LLP. We put their phone system in (well twice now).

They encompass two floors and from what I've seen there are maybe 3-5 women lawyers out of the entire firm (which is around 50+, including the firm in Warsaw). The rest of the women there are secretaries. I'm not making it up, and I'm not bagging on women. But there is a huge difference in being a lawyer and being a secretary to a lawyer. One requires years of schooling, the other requires a high school diploma and some computer training. Ergo, a lawyer is a 'higher skilled job'.

You, for example, have a degree in your field and you have a higher skilled job than I do. My job doesn't require a degree to work, yours does.

 

[Numnum]

I see that stay at home thing would come into play tho as well, i bet the majority of stay at home moms still have like a part-time job which would lower the average of incomes of women

 

[AUDRAA]

so youre saying what? less women go to college and hold a degree?

 

[VegasVixen]

Well I kinda agree with James is saying and I kind of don't. Woman are just as capable of doing the same job a man. However, more men are likely to go to school and become lawyers and doctors. That's just the hard simple facts. I am sure there are stats that show that national, unfortunately!

 

[AUDRAA]

moving this to debate......

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Well I kinda agree with James is saying and I kind of don't. Woman are just as capable of doing the same job a man. However, more men are likely to go to school and become lawyers and doctors. That's just the hard simple facts. I am sure there are stats that show that national, unfortunately!

What don't you agree with? Because I'm not, nor will I ever say that women are not capable of doing the same jobs as men.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

so youre saying what? less women go to college and hold a degree?

My example: One whopping lawfirm in downtown Fort Wayne, IN.

For the particular field of work in my example... yes, I am saying that. On the national average, no I am not saying that.

 

[Numnum]

As much as we don't like to admit it, I think there's TOTALLY a bias still.

I'm a woman, and I receive applications for students wanting to Article here. Maybe 1 out of 5 applications are from women, and when I see the application, I almost just assume they won't get the job - it almost seems out of place, or like when a woman applies to be a firefight, it just doesn't FEEL right, even though there's no reason for it not too. well kinda. strength comes into play. bad example. you know what i mean.

 

[VegasVixen]

What don't you agree with? Because I'm not, nor will I ever say that women are not capable of doing the same jobs as men.

Well you were kind of implying that men are the only kind worthy of a skilled position like a lawyer of doctor.
That may not have been your intention, but that was the perception. :unsure:

 

[AUDRAA]

What don't you agree with? Because I'm not, nor will I ever say that women are not capable of doing the same jobs as men.

Well you were kind of implying that men are the only kind worthy of a skilled position like a lawyer of doctor.
That man not have been your intention, but that was the perception. :unsure:

:homo:I thought thats what you were saying too until I read that above statement you made

 

[valley]

ANYWAYS, if a client doesn't provide their yearly income, we take the median of incomes and their child support payments are based on that.

For women, the median is $36,000.00

For men, the median is $52,000.00

Why is this? The lines of work men more likely take? (ie, danger pay jobs, construction) or is it a double standard and women just aren't worth as much?

Opinions?

I dont believe its a double standard and I dont believe there is any real "wage gap" like some politicians claim. Women tend to earn less than men for lots of reasons. Men are more flexible..willing to travel, work longer hours and they are a safer pick for an employer looking to hire someone for a long-term position. Women earn less because of the kinds of careers they choose for themselves....teachers, nurses, secretaries, customer service positions, retail clerks, etc...all are fine careers but they just dont earn as much as many other kinds of jobs. But its a good trade-off because those kinds of jobs allow women to juggle both a family and her career.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Well you were kind of implying that men are the only kind worthy of a skilled position like a lawyer of doctor.
That may not have been your intention, but that was the perception. :unsure:

Then you were making the incorrect perception. I simply used an example to make a point.

 

[valley]

Well you were kind of implying that men are the only kind worthy of a skilled position like a lawyer of doctor.
That may not have been your intention, but that was the perception. :unsure:

Actually..women have different priorities than men do. Most women want a family at some point and just are not willing to enter into those kind of practices that require them to work 60+ hour weeks. Its not that women cant be lawyers and doctors (some are, obviously)..its that they dont want to commit to a career that will prevent them from having a family. How many female lawyers are there who are able to take 6 months of maternity leave? They have case caseloads that they would have to foist onto someone else (who is probably already overworked with their own load) and they will also need time off when their kids get sick...school meetings etc...It just makes more sense to me that men go out and do those kinds of jobs while women work at jobs that will allow them more freedom to tend to their families.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

This is why I hate the debate section. I don't know why women get all bent out of shape when a guy states his views and examples on real world statistics on this type of topic like you two ladies did. Nobody ever said women can't. Relax.