MazHur Facts

[Minor Axis]

As you know there has been quite a bit of debate from our friend in Pakistan, MazHur. But he has a real problem discerning fact from his opinion. In an effort to help him I've put up a poll. Please verify that facts require more than spouting a fervent opinion. Facts require a standard of proof. In this example, numbers of women as compared to men has no correlation with esteem, things such as equal rights, equal consideration under the law, equal opportunity in the marketplace, and in no way implies a lack of discrimination. Just how esteemed can a second class citizen be? Yes, this last statement is my opinion.

Excess of women over men is an evidence that how women are held in esteem in my country

 

[Dana]

That doesn't even make sense to me. He needs an English translator.

 

[Niamh]

There's an excess of flies in the world................

 

[pjbleek]

X-files?
where's Mulder? Scully?

 

[dkwrtw]

lol like everything Maz says that makes utterly no sense.

 

[porterjack]

voted that was easy

 

[Carn]

Of course I agree !!! There must be some hidden logic in that sentence. Kind of an useless, flame topic...
What's the goal here ? What's the point ?

 

[mazHur]

As you know there has been quite a bit of debate from our friend in Pakistan, MazHur. But he has a real problem discerning fact from his opinion. In an effort to help him I've put up a poll. Please verify that facts require more than spouting a fervent opinion. Facts require a standard of proof. In this example, numbers of women as compared to men has no correlation with esteem, things such as equal rights, equal consideration under the law, equal opportunity in the marketplace, and in no way implies a lack of discrimination. Just how esteemed can a second class citizen be? Yes, this last statement is my opinion.

Muslim women ARE held in esteem...and they are not 2nd class citizens. Prove with authentic evidence or just buzz off!!

You have the impunity to feed your words into other people's mouth who don't have proper knowledge nor understand or respect the natural difference between cultures. Obviously this is not more than a futile attempt by an Islamophobe to puke out his bias, prejudices and racist feelings against Muslim and Muslim women.

This forum which is overwhelmed with religion-haters and no Muslim other than me IS not the right forum for such a sham Poll...

May I request the learned mods to stop this bullshit and stop the OP from puking out unwarranted aspersions and insults by unashamedly calling Muslim women as 2nd class citizens!

 

[darkcgi]

dude your facts are NOT

 

[retro]

Muslim women ARE held in esteem...and they are not 2nd class citizens. Prove with authentic evidence or just buzz off!!

You have the impunity to feed your words into other people's mouth who don't have proper knowledge nor understand or respect the natural difference between cultures. Obviously this is not more than a futile attempt by an Islamophobe to puke out his bias, prejudices and racist feelings against Muslim and Muslim women.

This forum which is overwhelmed with religion-haters and no Muslim other than me IS not the right forum for such a sham Poll...

May I request the learned mods to stop this bullshit and stop the OP from puking out unwarranted aspersions and insults by unashamedly calling Muslim women as 2nd class citizens!

Many of us have provided proof... it's not any of our fault that you absolutely refuse to listen.

 

[mazHur]

dude your facts are NOT

Those are not facts just crap ..be explicit in a Poll!!
There is no sense in holding a POLL in a mostly homogeneously-minded forum! Gross Stupidity!:thumbdown

 

[retro]

Those are not facts just crap ..be explicit in a Poll!!
There is no sense in holding a POLL in a mostly homogeneously-minded forum! Gross Stupidity!:thumbdown

You're apparently blind if you think that almost all of this forum have the same views on most everything.

 

[darkangel]

Why do Muslim nations treat women like second class citizens, not allowing education for girls, requiring women to be fully covered (even their hair and faces), throwing acid on them, etc?


Apparently Muslims are trying to follow the Islam religion but they are flawed. No matter how hard Muslims try to adhere to the religion they make many errors. Islam does not condone the acts of Muslims who throw acid on women and other forms of what Islam considers injustice. It seems the problem is that Muslims are not properly taught the Islam religion. Now the question is do they want to be taught? It seems that they don't. They implement the Islamic mandates into their laws and say to their women if you don't like it then leave. They have the right to do this but it is considered mistreatment of the women and taking away their rights.

http://godcontention.com/index.php?qid=52

 

[Minor Axis]

Muslim women ARE held in esteem...and they are not 2nd class citizens. Prove with authentic evidence or just buzz off!!

You have the impunity to feed your words into other people's mouth who don't have proper knowledge nor understand or respect the natural difference between cultures. Obviously this is not more than a futile attempt by an Islamophobe to puke out his bias, prejudices and racist feelings against Muslim and Muslim women.

This forum which is overwhelmed with religion-haters and no Muslim other than me IS not the right forum for such a sham Poll...

May I request the learned mods to stop this bullshit and stop the OP from puking out unwarranted aspersions and insults by unashamedly calling Muslim women as 2nd class citizens!

1) Numbers do not equal evidence of esteem.
2) I have to prove nothing. This is your assertion. Proof is on your shoulders The fact is that your statement is so obviously false, no effort is required on my part.
3) Why is this poll a sham? It is a perfectly valid poll regarding how proof/evidence is defined.
4) With nothing left, you revert to name calling. Just because I disagree with all most everything that comes out of your mouth regarding your religion and how women are treated in the Middle East, this does not make me an Islamophobe, nor does this make me a racist. You are grabbing at straws.

I'd be happy to call you my friend from Pakistan, but unfortunately you are a closed book. Your only interest in this forum is to push your views which seem to be predominantly anti-U.S., while making excuses for short comings in your own culture. The U.S. is fair game, but strangely you consider your own culture as off limits for discussion. Your attitude is not equitable for meaningful conversation.

 

[mazHur]

We have no problem condemning atrocities done to women abroad, yet too many of us in the United States ignore the oppression on our doorstep. We're suffering under the mass delusion that women in America have achieved equality.
And why not -- it's a feel-good illusion. We cry with Oprah and laugh with Tina Fey; we work and take care of our children; we watch Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice proudly and sigh with relief, believing we've come so far. But we're basking in a "girl power" moment that doesn't exist -- it's a mirage of equality that we've been duped into believing is the real thing.
Because despite the indisputable gains over the years, women are still being raped, trafficked, violated and discriminated against -- not just in the rest of the world, but here in the United States. And though feminists continue to fight gender injustices, most people seem to think that outside of a few lingering battles, the work of the women's movement is done.
It's time to stop fooling ourselves. For all our "empowered" rhetoric, women in this country aren't doing nearly as well as we'd like to think.
After all, women are being shot dead in the streets here, too. It was only last year that George Sodini opened fire in a gym outside Pittsburgh, killing three women and injuring nine others. Investigators learned from Sodini's blog that he specifically targeted women. In 2006, a gunman went into an Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania; he sent the boys outside and opened fire on almost a dozen girls, killing five. That same year in Colorado, a man sexually assaulted six female students he had taken hostage at a high school before killing one of them.
And it's not just strangers who are killing women; more than 1,000 women were killed by their partners in 2005, and of all the women murdered in the United States, about a third are killed by a husband or boyfriend. A leading cause of death for pregnant women? Murder by a partner. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/19/AR2010021902049.html

 

[retro]

yet another copy/paste.

Why don't you give us your own goddamn opinions? Or are you incapable of independent thought? Wait, given where you live and the religion you follow, it wouldn't surprise me if that were in fact that case.

 

[edgray]

An excess of women? I don't rightly understand the meaning of this.

 

[mazHur]

Read the article written by a sensible American writer below reflecting on how woman are held in ''esteem'' in the US.
For women in America, equality is still an illusion


By Jessica Valenti
Sunday, February 21, 2010
Every day, we hear about the horrors women endure in other countries: rape in Darfur, genital mutilation in Egypt, sex trafficking in Eastern Europe. We shake our heads, forward e-mails and send money.


There is so much more work to be done. The truth is, most women don't have the privilege of being able to look at gender justice from a distance; they have no choice but to live it every day. Those of us who are lucky enough not to have to think about sexism, racism, poverty and homophobia on a daily basis -- those of us who have the privilege of sending money to an international cause via e-mail while ignoring the plight of women here at home -- have a responsibility to open our eyes to the misogyny right in front of us. And then to stop it.



People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones at others!!

Want more evidence??

 

[darkangel]

maz you are aware that it is against copyright laws to quote articles without links?

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/

Give facts in your own words before OTz gets tracked down by the hunters who look for exactly what you're doing.

 

[mazHur]

An excess of women? I don't rightly understand the meaning of this.

Ed, good question. the OP has taken that line out of context and given it a twist.

if women were killed in my country how come their percentage exceed men???