Man beats pedophile to death

[hart]

I disagree, I think there are cases it is perfectly fine to kill someone, self defense comes to mind.......... If someone is shooting at me I aim to kill.......

 

[Tuffdisc]

I disagree, I think there are cases it is perfectly fine to kill someone, self defense comes to mind.......... If someone is shooting at me I aim to kill.......

I think its premeditated murder rather than self-defence

 

[hart]

Well I don't think the father's crime was premeditated, we could have claimed in the heat of the moment-type defense

 

[Tuffdisc]

Well I don't think the father's crime was premeditated, we could have claimed in the heat of the moment-type defense

Well, I'm sure that most people can understand the heat of the moment self defence for their child. But there are people who would think its the "excuse". I can't really blame him for what he did, but there is a thin line what is premeditated and self defence in most cases

 

[The Man]

This was an emotional killing rather than self defense IMO...more of an uncontrolled rage.
Not saying I agree with the statistics but there is a thread here somewhere that says most of these victims are repeat victims..if this is true should he be allowed to beat future perps to death as well?.

What if he walks in and someone is sleeping with his wife is it ok to kill them as well?

 

[The Man]

Well I don't think the father's crime was premeditated, we could have claimed in the heat of the moment-type defense

"I am going to beat this guy" is sort of premeditated isnt it?....if that went through his mind.
Premeditated doesnt have to have a set amount of time...could be 5 days or 5 seconds

 

[hart]

I disagree, 5 seconds is not premeditated. You've heard of the expression seeing red. I've done it. I had someone say something to me and saw red. Now I did not beat anyone to death, but my heart beat quickened, I felt dizzy and I must have looked pretty damn scary because that person's eyes got real big and they exited real quick.

Now I'm not that big a person and I was much smaller then, they were twice my size yet they got scared........if I can have that effect when seeing red over a trigger that was not seeing my child in danger..........

Yes I believe one can go from not planning something to acting totally w/o thought on emotion instantly.........

 

[Tuffdisc]

This was an emotional killing rather than self defense IMO...more of an uncontrolled rage.
Not saying I agree with the statistics but there is a thread here somewhere that says most of these victims are repeat victims..if this is true should he be allowed to beat future perps to death as well?.

What if he walks in and someone is sleeping with his wife is it ok to kill them as well?

I know what you are onto here, no he shouldn't be allowed to beat other perps to death, because then anyone who accuses anyone of doing the same thing as what the perp did to his daughter to anyone's child, is going down a very slippery slope of violence without a justice system. Yes, the justice does fail, but the same justice also fails the innocent who are accused of similar crimes.

Correct, this was an emotional rage, everyone should keep their cool no matter the excuse. Though it was understandable.

 

[Tuffdisc]

I disagree, 5 seconds is not premeditated. You've heard of the expression seeing red. I've done it. I had someone say something to me and saw red. Now I did not beat anyone to death, but my heart beat quickened, I felt dizzy and I must have looked pretty damn scary because that person's eyes got real big and they exited real quick.

Now I'm not that big a person and I was much smaller then, they were twice my size yet they got scared........if I can have that effect when seeing red over a trigger that was not seeing my child in danger..........

Yes I believe one can go from not planning something to acting totally w/o thought on emotion instantly.........

Not saying that 5 seconds is premeditated. Premeditated means you must of wanted to murder someone i.e. planned it

 

[The Man]

I disagree, 5 seconds is not premeditated. You've heard of the expression seeing red. I've done it. I had someone say something to me and saw red. Now I did not beat anyone to death, but my heart beat quickened, I felt dizzy and I must have looked pretty damn scary because that person's eyes got real big and they exited real quick.

Now I'm not that big a person and I was much smaller then, they were twice my size yet they got scared........if I can have that effect when seeing red over a trigger that was not seeing my child in danger..........

Yes I believe one can go from not planning something to acting totally w/o thought on emotion instantly.........

I disagree, 5 seconds is not premeditated.

Sure it is...you make the decision and do it.
To further this wasnt like pulling a trigger..then 2 seconds later you wish you hadn't dome it...this guy beat the guy to death..he took out his rage on the guy.

I had someone say something to me and saw red

We all have...but we control our emotions.

 

[The Man]

I know what you are onto here, no he shouldn't be allowed to beat other perps to death, because then anyone who accuses anyone of doing the same thing as what the perp did to his daughter to anyone's child, is going down a very slippery slope of violence without a justice system. Yes, the justice does fail, but the same justice also fails the innocent who are accused of similar crimes.

Correct, this was an emotional rage, everyone should keep their cool no matter the excuse. Though it was understandable.

I know what you are onto here, no he shouldn't be allowed to beat other perps to death,

If he was allowed to beat this perp to death then why is it not ok to beat future perps to death?

because then anyone who accuses anyone of doing the same thing as what the perp did to his daughter to anyone's child, is going down a very slippery slope of violence without a justice system.

Which is why it is not ok to kill over rage.
But to further this ruling can be used in the future to allow others to be be beat to death.

Yes, the justice does fail, but the same justice also fails the innocent who are accused of similar crimes.

That only makes it worse...not only has it been allowed to beat a guy to death in addition to an already existing problem.

 

[hart]

Curious Man are you a parent?

 

[Minderella]

"If he was allowed"

He wasn't allowed to do anything. He reacted in a highly emotional situation, and hit the guy--never expecting or planning to kill the guy. All the news reports have said that the father is extremely remorseful, and that they tried to save the perps life.

 

[The Man]

Curious Man are you a parent?

Irrelevant to the discussion....unless you want to make an argument that it is ok for a parent to kill based on the fact that they are a parent

 

[hart]

I didn't say it was relevant, Man, but it does put a different perspective on one's viewpoint.

 

[The Man]

"If he was allowed"

He wasn't allowed to do anything. He reacted in a highly emotional situation, and hit the guy--never expecting or planning to kill the guy. All the news reports have said that the father is extremely remorseful, and that they tried to save the perps life.

How many times did he hit hit the guy?
How long did he wait before deciding to allegedly help the guy.
We dont know whether he was remorseful or not..only that he appeared to be remorseful...has no bearing to the events that took place.
But if we wanted to go a step further....we could say he knew he had done wrong as he was remorseful...Why be remorseful over a justified killing?

All people are doing here is justifying rage...and IMO rage should not be justified.
Hell I might have beat the guy to death myself..but that doesnt make it right.

 

[Minderella]

Why be remorseful over a justified killing?

Because most humans feel bad about taking another persons life, whether it was justified or not.

 

[Tim]

Sure it is...you make the decision and do it.
To further this wasnt like pulling a trigger..then 2 seconds later you wish you hadn't dome it...this guy beat the guy to death..he took out his rage on the guy.

We all have...but we control our emotions.

This doesn't even come close to the legal definition of premeditation.

You might want to go look it up before you continue down this road. A determination of premeditation would never be applied to this case and I would guarentee you wouldn't find another case out there where someone was charged with premeditation in a case like this.

 

[The Man]

This doesn't even come close to the legal definition of premeditation.

You might want to go look it up before you continue down this road. A determination of premeditation would never be applied to this case and I would guarentee you wouldn't find another case out there where someone was charged with premeditation in a case like this.

Do you think he should be charged ?

 

[Tuffdisc]

How many times did he hit hit the guy?
How long did he wait before deciding to allegedly help the guy.
We dont know whether he was remorseful or not..only that he appeared to be remorseful...has no bearing to the events that took place.
But if we wanted to go a step further....we could say he knew he had done wrong as he was remorseful...Why be remorseful over a justified killing?

All people are doing here is justifying rage...and IMO rage should not be justified.
Hell I might have beat the guy to death myself..but that doesnt make it right.

Hitting a guy even with one punch can kill a person. He might of been done for manslaughter if they had taken it further