Let Me Into Your Beliefs...

[MjaneGibson]

Okay...so, here goes:

I have been debating putting this post up for various reasons, but I have sucked it up and am too curious to not ask.

If you had to describe how the world works (where we come from, what we're doing, and where we go), what would you say. Without naming any religion, can you explain to me this?

I'll start:

I believe in soul age. I believe that we are created as infant souls and over earth bound lifetimes, our souls grow. Some grow faster than others, some must repeat ages over and over until they manifest into something else. I believe that our bodies here are earth are simply space holders for our souls and used to carry out different lessons with each life that passes. Eventually, after all tasks are completed and after your soul reaches maturity (or understanding) you are then joined with the collective once again and begin a new journey in a new world.

Of course, it's much more detailed than that...but I shall leave you with that for now

 

[porterjack]

i so wanted the title to read briefs

carry on

 

[MjaneGibson]

i so wanted the title to read briefs

carry on

:24::24::24::24:

 

[Panacea]

I don't know. Things live, then they don't live. That's all I can say with certainty. I don't see any reason to assume they live for any reason other than to live, nor to assume there is a place the living go once they are dead.

It appears to me the living process is how the world works, and nothing further. The living create a system, by virtue of existing and behaving in certain ways, that carries on by means of renewed life through reproduction.

 

[HK]

I believe that life is short. I believe that we are composed of energy from the world around us and when we die that energy goes back to nature, where it originally came from. Babies are created by converting energy from foods to help them grow, etc etc.

I believe it's possible that there is something here on earth like a form of fate or 'meant to be', but I also believe it has very little to do with prayer or sacrifice - I think it's closer to karma.

 

[porterjack]

we are all born with the same capacity to love and share, it is our social environment that determines whether we flourish in that regard or stagnate

if you water a seed it will grow

 

[Panacea]

I believe that life is short. I believe that we are composed of energy from the world around us and when we die that energy goes back to nature, where it originally came from. Babies are created by converting energy from foods to help them grow, etc etc.

I like how this is put, I agree.

 

[MjaneGibson]

I don't know. Things live, then they don't live. That's all I can say with certainty. I don't see any reason to assume they live for any reason other than to live, nor to assume there is a place the living go once they are dead.

It appears to me the living process is how the world works, and nothing further. The living create a system, by virtue of existing and behaving in certain ways, that carries on by means of renewed life through reproduction.

While I completely understand (and agree to some extent), riddle me this: have you ever met someone that you have an overwhelming connection with for seemingly no reason? Have you ever been drawn to a particular animal, sound or vision? Do you think it's possible because maybe...just maybe, you have had a connection to them in the past? Do you think that energy ceases to be when we die?

I believe that life is short. I believe that we are composed of energy from the world around us and when we die that energy goes back to nature, where it originally came from. Babies are created by converting energy from foods to help them grow, etc etc.

I believe it's possible that there is something here on earth like a form of fate or 'meant to be', but I also believe it has very little to do with prayer or sacrifice - I think it's closer to karma.

I too feel that energy is replaced in the earth...I also feel, however, that this energy remains in tact until it can be placed into something or someone else. Like you said, babies are created by energy and that energy comes from the earth.

When you say "meant to be," do you mean in this life? do you mean to say that you feel we are all "destined" for certain things? I am curious! I do not believe in prayer...I do not believe in sacrifice (except self sacrifice which should only be done to further benefit the world). I believe in ying and yang...but not karma per-say. What are your views on karma?

 

[MjaneGibson]

we are all born with the same capacity to love and share, it is our social environment that determines whether we flourish in that regard or stagnate

if you water a seed it will grow

You need to elaborate on this...do you feel that if we don't succeed in this life, we are just dead energy...? that if we do succeed, we are lucky to move on through the lifetimes?

 

[HK]

I too feel that energy is replaced in the earth...I also feel, however, that this energy remains in tact until it can be placed into something or someone else. Like you said, babies are created by energy and that energy comes from the earth.

I feel like there's very much a 'circle of life' element to the whole thing. We eat plants and animals to help us grow and live, then when we die the plants eat us and the animals eat the plants...

When you say "meant to be," do you mean in this life? do you mean to say that you feel we are all "destined" for certain things? I am curious! I do not believe in prayer...I do not believe in sacrifice (except self sacrifice which should only be done to further benefit the world). I believe in ying and yang...but not karma per-say. What are your views on karma?

Not exactly destiny... definitely more of karma sort of thing. I feel that when I do things even vaguely badly intentioned, I get punished for it in some way. But then also sometimes a bad thing leads to a good thing, so everything is balanced.

I also think there are a lot of meaningless natural events that we put too much meaning into. I don't think hurricanes or tsunamis are a deity's way of telling us they're pissed. But on the other hand, I believe what you lose and gain in those natural events can be determined by your own karma.

 

[Panacea]

Have you ever met someone that you have an overwhelming connection with for seemingly no reason?

Sometimes I can't explain it immediately, but the reason is clear eventually.

Have you ever been drawn to a particular animal, sound or vision? Do you think it's possible because maybe...just maybe, you have had a connection to them in the past?

If I felt the connection might have been something from the past, I could only assume it had been in my lifetime. We are bombarded with so much stimuli in our lives, the chances of being drawn to something you've seen before but not realizing seems likely.

Do you think that energy ceases to be when we die?

I'm not too good with the science of energy, admittedly, but I don't get the sense the energy recycled for new living things is a soul with a personality. A person's personality is related to the size of certain brain parts, for instance. I believe the personality and experiences of the living are contained in the matter of the being, with the aid of the energy, not from the energy alone.

So I guess I don't believe in souls at all.

 

[MjaneGibson]

I feel like there's very much a 'circle of life' element to the whole thing. We eat plants and animals to help us grow and live, then when we die the plants eat us and the animals eat the plants...

Definitely agree with you. I am a firm believer in "reincarnation" but in a much more organic and natural way

Not exactly destiny... definitely more of karma sort of thing. I feel that when I do things even vaguely badly intentioned, I get punished for it in some way. But then also sometimes a bad thing leads to a good thing, so everything is balanced.

I have struggled with Karma for a long time. I do not believe that EVERY single bad thing that someone does (including myself) automatically means that I will get what's coming to me...I do believe, however, that if I do something wrong, or what is seen as wrong, I am simply doomed to repeat the same lesson until I get it right...does that make sense? I think I have a hard time with karma because I do not believe in hell nor do I believe that people who are inherently good, are not allowed to make any sort of mistake without punishment

I also think there are a lot of meaningless natural events that we put too much meaning into. I don't think hurricanes or tsunamis are a deity's way of telling us they're pissed. But on the other hand, I believe what you lose and gain in those natural events can be determined by your own karma.

Agree with you to an extent. Natural events are an inevitable part of the world. Anthropologists have proved this for years. The earth has been destroying and regrowing itself since well before humans even existed. Animals (aside from mutations/mental disorders animals may have) are innocent in that they react mainly on instinct, so clearly, karma cannot exist among animals. So, if natural disasters have been on going since the beginning of the earths existence, than to blame natural disasters on how we treat each other or the world is, well...silly in my opinion...so totally agree...

When you say gain and lose in natural events (because of karma), is that to say that if we have done something wrong (even as wrong as murder, that we are doomed to say...lose a loved one in a natural storm, or lose our house...or whatever?

I feel that the so-called "karma" that we feel is simply living with the knowledge that we have done something wrong.

 

[MjaneGibson]

Sometimes I can't explain it immediately, but the reason is clear eventually.

Fair enough...guess I'm more of a skeptic that way

If I felt the connection might have been something from the past, I could only assume it had been in my lifetime. We are bombarded with so much stimuli in our lives, the chances of being drawn to something you've seen before but not realizing seems likely.

I think this rings true in many cases. I often find myself seeing someone familiar...mentioning that they look familiar and then for some reason, realize I met them when I was a youngin. I guess it's all of the other unexplained connections with people that I have issues defining. I have felt overwhelming similarities and connections with people in my lifetime and I have no other way of describing the feeling other than...knowing. I KNOW we have known each other for lifetimes. The feeling itself is hard to describe, but maybe it's just me!

I'm not too good with the science of energy, admittedly, but I don't get the sense the energy recycled for new living things is a soul with a personality. A person's personality is related to the size of certain brain parts, for instance. I believe the personality and experiences of the living are contained in the matter of the being, with the aid of the energy, not from the energy alone.

So I guess I don't believe in souls at all.

when I say, "soul," that is not to necessarily say...personality. In fact, I would probably describe a soul as more of a make-up of an overall...feeling? an overall, aura of energy. It's something that I have always had trouble really describing, but I'm sure you understand what I mean. I agree with what you wrote, "I believe personality and experiences of the living are contained in the matter of the being, with the aid of the energy, not from the energy alone. But, I fear you are mistaking my opinion on the soul still...while it is energy, it's just...more than that?

As for not believing in souls...fair enough very interesting to see people's views on it...you never know when something might click in a way it hadn't before!

 

[Panacea]

When I say, "soul," that is not to necessarily say...personality. In fact, I would probably describe a soul as more of a make-up of an overall...feeling? an overall, aura of energy.

I don't know if energy can have an aura without the vessel to interpret it.
You feel souls have memory? When you say you have known someone from another life time, that would mean the soul that's in your body now held the information from the body it used to be in? I guess that's what I meant, is I don't think energy can remember, or hold information.

 

[MjaneGibson]

it's not memory really...at least not in the way we are used to. For example: I am an artist. I make things with my hands. I know with all that I am, that I have flourished in this skill for much longer than my 25 years. The same goes with people...or souls? The reason you may have a connection with someone, but not necessarily know them, is because, in my opinion, the two souls have met at another point, but are not within the same being any longer. In my opinion, you could have been a man in one lifetime, and a woman in another. You may be the mountains in one lifetime, and a fox in another. It is my belief that everything has inner...stuff, that makes up "what" and "who" they are. You may use experiences from one life (say a rock) and use it in another life (say, a person). Along each of your journeys, you meet with other souls. So...it's not quite memory, as you can see, but rather...experience?

I understand what you mean...that energy doesn't hold information. But...doesn't it? take a fan for instance...it is pushing air. The air, is the energy...it now is sort of programmed to move? it is programmed to go in one direction because of the experience it has partaken in. Does that help better describe what I mean?

 

[BadBoy]

Okay...so, here goes:

I have been debating putting this post up for various reasons, but I have sucked it up and am too curious to not ask.

If you had to describe how the world works (where we come from, what we're doing, and where we go), what would you say. Without naming any religion, can you explain to me this?

I'll start:

I believe in soul age. I believe that we are created as infant souls and over earth bound lifetimes, our souls grow. Some grow faster than others, some must repeat ages over and over until they manifest into something else. I believe that our bodies here are earth are simply space holders for our souls and used to carry out different lessons with each life that passes. Eventually, after all tasks are completed and after your soul reaches maturity (or understanding) you are then joined with the collective once again and begin a new journey in a new world.

Of course, it's much more detailed than that...but I shall leave you with that for now

I believe this is what one would call the Cylon belief or quite possibly, the Borg. Yes, I went there!

 

[MjaneGibson]

I believe this is what one would call the Cylon belief or quite possibly, the Borg. Yes, I went there!

I surprisingly agree with a lot of their beliefs..aside from the creation of Cylons...lol

 

[Panacea]

it's not memory really...at least not in the way we are used to. For example: I am an artist. I make things with my hands. I know with all that I am, that I have flourished in this skill for much longer than my 25 years. The same goes with people...or souls? The reason you may have a connection with someone, but not necessarily know them, is because, in my opinion, the two souls have met at another point, but are not within the same being any longer. In my opinion, you could have been a man in one lifetime, and a woman in another. You may be the mountains in one lifetime, and a fox in another. It is my belief that everything has inner...stuff, that makes up "what" and "who" they are. You may use experiences from one life (say a rock) and use it in another life (say, a person). Along each of your journeys, you meet with other souls. So...it's not quite memory, as you can see, but rather...experience?

I understand what you mean...that energy doesn't hold information. But...doesn't it? take a fan for instance...it is pushing air. The air, is the energy...it now is sort of programmed to move? it is programmed to go in one direction because of the experience it has partaken in. Does that help better describe what I mean?

I wouldn't say energy can retain experience, because it would require far more than it's capable of, mechanically. That's my whole basis of not being convinced by the idea of reincarnation and things like that.

As far as the fan goes, I would disagree that the air is programmed because of the experience, the air is just moving because the fan is pushing it. I think the air is passive in this scenario.

This is where it gets into the science of energy, and I am not educated in the field.

 

[HK]

I feel that the so-called "karma" that we feel is simply living with the knowledge that we have done something wrong.

I do feel like it's not so much a living breathing monster of revenge that stalks us, but more our own conscience and sanctity of soul that can be damaged. I like what you said about being doomed to repeat our actions till we learn from them.

I won't go into specifics but suffice to say, with my ex we broke up for a lot of reasons, partly aided by something I got involved in. I should have known better, but I went along with it anyway. I almost found myself going down the same slippery slope recently with my boyfriend, and I stopped myself because I then had a few things go wrong in my life that made me think 'look at what's important to you and then stop dicking around'. So I did.

 

[BadBoy]

I surprisingly agree with a lot of their beliefs..aside from the creation of Cylons...lol

I think I found a new crush.