Lack of Ethics in Corporate America

[Haus]

What is your take on this?

Seems a lot of companies Lack Ethics in America and all over the world as well and has been going on for quite some time.

 

[canidae]

I agree it is a worldwide phenomena, stemming from laziness, lack of education, and overall ignorance. Technology has made us lazy and and things are too easy, and marketing makes us want it all, now. The divide between corporations and the human being is ever growing. There is a large lack of personal connection and the corporate CEOs live in a different world than the rest of us.

I'm sorry, but I don't need $40 million to live on. But it becomes a way of life and more is better, which moves them farther away from those they employ. And the minions complain, but what is ever really done, what with the governments nothing more than corporatinos running the county's.

Now you read that again while I steal some of your tokenz :ninja

 

[Davidspud92]

I agree it is a worldwide phenomena, stemming from laziness, lack of education, and overall ignorance. Technology has made us lazy and and things are too easy, and marketing makes us want it all, now. The divide between corporations and the human being is ever growing. There is a large lack of personal connection and the corporate CEOs live in a different world than the rest of us.

I'm sorry, but I don't need $40 million to live on. But it becomes a way of life and more is better, which moves them farther away from those they employ. And the minions complain, but what is ever really done, what with the governments nothing more than corporatinos running the county's.

Now you read that again while I steal some of your tokenz :ninja

money is the root of all evil, remember that

 

[Springsteen]

Money is the only thing to big companies, that's what they are measured on, looked at for.

 

[Accountable]

What is your take on this?

Seems a lot of companies Lack Ethics in America and all over the world as well and has been going on for quite some time.

We are a legalistic society, governed by the rule of law. The big change in society is that we used to honor the spirit of a law and now we only follow the exact letter of the law. Professional politicians lead the way with the way they parse words such as "is," "torture," and "earmark." Rules have become obstacles to overcome, rather than guidelines to follow. Ethis has become a quaint idea of the good ol' days, shelved away with neighborliness, the Constitution, and other relics.

 

[Minor Axis]

We are a legalistic society, governed by the rule of law. The big change in society is that we used to honor the spirit of a law and now we only follow the exact letter of the law. Professional politicians lead the way with the way they parse words such as "is," "torture," and "earmark." Rules have become obstacles to overcome, rather than guidelines to follow. Ethis has become a quaint idea of the good ol' days, shelved away with neighborliness, the Constitution, and other relics.

I agree!

Corporations, governments, political parties, and economic systems are only as good or as moral as their leadership

 

[Strauss]

money is the root of all evil, remember that

However, if you wish to remember it correctly it's: "The love of money is the root of all evil." To wit:

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Timothy 6:10

 

[MoonOwl]

My Grandmother was worried back in the 70's about de-regulation. She said then it would ruin America. I do believe she was right. As we can plainly see. The "Greed is Good" mantra has robbed our nation of it's prosperity. Along w/sold-out politicians who have helped to sell us all down the river to the highest bidder while WePeeps were too busy arguing over put-up bs like abortion and gay marriage just like they planned. Divide & Conqur. Angry yet? If not, perhaps you should be?

 

[!]

Most corporate leaders and politicans are criminals and should be put in jail for the things they do.

 

[KpAtch3s]

Ethics is defined by culture and culture is different from country to country and therefore so is ethics. Ethic's are a gray area when compared from country to country. IMO if it's legal then it's ok.

Here is a fun example of what ethics have done with Nike. Nike was getting a lot of crap from the media and American public about their sweat shops in North Korea, so Nike implemented their own child labor rules to follow corporate wide. They placed age limits on where children could work,which are 15 in clothing manufacturing and 16 in shoe manufacturing. Because of this North Korea has ended up with 12,13,14 year old girls in the sex trade business. So what's ethical?

 

[Accountable]

Ethics is defined by culture and culture is different from country to country and therefore so is ethics. Ethic's are a gray area when compared from country to country. IMO if it's legal then it's ok.

Here is a fun example of what ethics have done with Nike. Nike was getting a lot of crap from the media and American public about their sweat shops in North Korea, so Nike implemented their own child labor rules to follow corporate wide. They placed age limits on where children could work,which are 15 in clothing manufacturing and 16 in shoe manufacturing. Because of this North Korea has ended up with 12,13,14 year old girls in the sex trade business. So what's ethical?

Even assuming that you didn't pull this out of your butt - that North Korea did not have 12,13,14 year old girls in the sex trade business before Nike changed their hiring practices - do you really hold Nike responsible? I suppose they also caused the Lost Boys of Sudan to be homeless for not opening a sweatshop there at all.

 

[KpAtch3s]

Even assuming that you didn't pull this out of your butt - that North Korea did not have 12,13,14 year old girls in the sex trade business before Nike changed their hiring practices - do you really hold Nike responsible? I suppose they also caused the Lost Boys of Sudan to be homeless for not opening a sweatshop there at all.

I just finished an international business course and it was something I came across in my studies. Anyway I don't hold Nike responsible for anything. It was a particular situation where one "ethical" decision was made and caused an influx of younger girls to get involved in sex trade.

IMO all's fair in love, war, and business (so long as you are not breaking a law) If that means Nike employs people in sweatshops then so be it. They may have been making 50 cents an hour or whatever, but that 50 cents buys them a lot more in their country than it would in ours.

All I am saying is Corporate America does not have a lack of ethics.

 

[Strauss]

The lack of ethics mirrors that which is found in society in general; simply because the people in corporate America are the same people who make up society.

Now all of you who have actually worked in the upper echelons of corporate America please raise your hands.

 

[SgtSpike]

What is your take on this?

Seems a lot of companies Lack Ethics in America and all over the world as well and has been going on for quite some time.

I definitely agree. Some companies are beginning to see the outrage from consumers, and are taking corrective actions, such as sustainability, company-wide moral codes and codes of ethics, etc etc.

We are a legalistic society, governed by the rule of law. The big change in society is that we used to honor the spirit of a law and now we only follow the exact letter of the law. Professional politicians lead the way with the way they parse words such as "is," "torture," and "earmark." Rules have become obstacles to overcome, rather than guidelines to follow. Ethis has become a quaint idea of the good ol' days, shelved away with neighborliness, the Constitution, and other relics.

Couldn't agree with you more.

I just finished an international business course and it was something I came across in my studies. Anyway I don't hold Nike responsible for anything. It was a particular situation where one "ethical" decision was made and caused an influx of younger girls to get involved in sex trade.

IMO all's fair in love, war, and business (so long as you are not breaking a law) If that means Nike employs people in sweatshops then so be it. They may have been making 50 cents an hour or whatever, but that 50 cents buys them a lot more in their country than it would in ours.

All I am saying is Corporate America does not have a lack of ethics.

So if murdering was legal, would that make it ok in your eyes? An extreme example, I know, but I believe that there are certainly absolute morals to be followed in this world. Most things fall into a gray area, not necessarily right or wrong, depending on the situation.

This kind of brings up an interesting question though...

If you knew you could murder someone to save 1000 other people, would you do it? Would it be ok? What if it was only 100 people? Only 10? Only 1?

When do the ends justify the means? Do the ends ever justify the means?

I think part of the reason we have become such a legalistic society is because of globalization. People look around the world, and if judgements are made too arbitrarily (such as a judgement made in the example above), then people complain. So judgements HAVE to stick to the letter of the law, because just sticking to the spirit of the law doesn't cut it when millions of people can instantly have access to that judgement and make an outcry against it because the judgement doesn't follow, to the letter, the laws that they were based on.

 

[DoctorDisco]

What is your take on this?

Seems a lot of companies Lack Ethics in America and all over the world as well and has been going on for quite some time.

In my opinion, the sad reality is that we have over-populated to the point where it is every man for themselves.

Compassion is a lost virtue of the business man.

 

[Minor Axis]

For those who like to read:

Adventures in Good and Evil and examination of human morals at Newsweek.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

What is your take on this?

Seems a lot of companies Lack Ethics in America and all over the world as well and has been going on for quite some time.

Is this just a recent observation

Have you been suspended in liquid nitrogen all these years or what:24:

 

[KpAtch3s]

So if murdering was legal, would that make it ok in your eyes? An extreme example, I know, but I believe that there are certainly absolute morals to be followed in this world. Most things fall into a gray area, not necessarily right or wrong, depending on the situation.

This kind of brings up an interesting question though...

If you knew you could murder someone to save 1000 other people, would you do it? Would it be ok? What if it was only 100 people? Only 10? Only 1?

When do the ends justify the means? Do the ends ever justify the means?

I think part of the reason we have become such a legalistic society is because of globalization. People look around the world, and if judgements are made too arbitrarily (such as a judgement made in the example above), then people complain. So judgements HAVE to stick to the letter of the law, because just sticking to the spirit of the law doesn't cut it when millions of people can instantly have access to that judgement and make an outcry against it because the judgement doesn't follow, to the letter, the laws that they were based on.

OK, you got me, at least in an extreme example like that. There are certain boundaries that have to exist.

Would I kill one person to save 1000? Would I killed 1 person to save another? I think this happens all the time in the world. They usually involve a hostage and a criminal. How about kill 2 people to save 1? It just happened recently with the American captain who was held hostage by pirates. A US sniper team took out 2 of the pirates and the 3rd one dropped his gun to save the captain.

 

[SgtSpike]

OK, you got me, at least in an extreme example like that. There are certain boundaries that have to exist.

Would I kill one person to save 1000? Would I killed 1 person to save another? I think this happens all the time in the world. They usually involve a hostage and a criminal. How about kill 2 people to save 1? It just happened recently with the American captain who was held hostage by pirates. A US sniper team took out 2 of the pirates and the 3rd one dropped his gun to save the captain.

Well, I have no problem with killing people who are trying to harm me or other innocent people (such as the captain). Guess that's an entirely different facet of the discussion though.

Anyway, I would agree with you that sweatshops are actually a good thing for the communities they are brought into. In general, it gives the families who are lucky enough to obtain one of those jobs a much higher quality of life. They are able to buy plenty of food and water and shelter and clothing for their families, and are generally much better off than they previously were.

Naysayers can talk all they want about how they work long hours and this and that, but look at those countries, and the people without a "sweatshop" job, and see how many long hours they have to work to even TRY to support their families, usually in much worse working conditions than Nike provides.

 

[Haus]

Is this just a recent observation

Have you been suspended in liquid nitrogen all these years or what:24:

i said its been going on for quite some time. jeez man