Just wow.

[Joe the meek]

No different, IMO, than doctors...the majority of patients take what their doctor says as the gospel and don't question them.

The big difference is that normally you go to the doctors, but the police come to you.

 

[Natasha]

The big difference is that normally you go to the doctors, but the police come to you.

Doesn't matter...still the same principle of assuming that what the person in the position of authority says is automatically right. My mother just went to a funeral a few weeks ago of a guy who didn't question his doctor who put him on lexapro to stop weight loss when he wasn't depressed. Look up the class action lawsuits in reference to suicide risks and lexapro...my mom's friend is a statistic who shot and killed himself w/in 2 days of being put on lexapro.

 

[Dana]

Your grandfather had an excuse, what's yours?

Must be Heredity :ninja

 

[AUFred]

Look at the time of the original post. It was a buzz kill for my son and he had called home nervous as to what the officer was going to do. There was nothing we could do about the tag until Monday. We will get this resolved quickly. The problem is he has to be at his co-op job in Georgia Monday.

 

[retro]

in This reminds me of something that happened to my mom about 6 months ago or so. She was driving along, and happened to be making the same turns and was in the same lane as this city police car. All of a sudden, he pulls over to the side of the road, lets her pass, and then pops back out with his lights going and pulls her over. He then proceeded to give her a ticket for interference with a law enforcement officer for following him, and claiming that she was following him too closely. Now, having been in the car with my mom driving a ton while growing up and even as an adult, she never follows anyone closer than about 3-4 car lengths at the closest.

Though the story gets a little better... it turns out the officer was the fiance of one of our good family friend's daughter... the family friend has been doing my parents, sister, ex-wife, and grandma's hair for the better part of a decade. Well, the next time my mom went for a haircut, she told her the story, and he evidently got chewed out, not by the mom, but by his fiance. :24:

I got pulled over by a cop while I was on my way home from buying a car that I just purchased up in Fresno. I was going about 69 in a 65 zone. At the time, it was CHP guidelines (according to a CHP officer that I know) not to pull anyone over unless they were going more than 5 MPH over the speed limit (with our budget crisis in the state, that's changed now). So he pulls me over, and ask me if I knew why... I told him honestly that I didn't. He then proceeded to tell me that I was going almost 80, and that I was driving recklessly. Now, it was also policy in the state of California (at the time anyway) that they are required to show you a print out of the speed gun proving that you were going as fast as they claim. So I asked him, politely, if I could please see the print out. Once I asked that, he immediately changed his tune and tried to get me on not having valid insurance (I had my previous insurance card, and the car still had valid registration tags), I told him that I had just bought the car and was driving it home. I then showed him the bill of sale, the transfer documents, and the proof of the loan from my credit union. Then he went back to trying to get me for speeding somehow, and then asked me about 10 different times in 10 different ways if I had just bought the car. It was absolutely ridiculous and he pretty much wasted about 30 minutes of my time apparently trying to find some way to fulfill his quota.

I was also pulled over by a cop in Texas that tried to nail me for all kinds of shit... not having a Texas license (I was still in the grace period after moving from California), not having Texas registration (same thing as the license), having a license plate frame that covered part of the word California (which is illegal in Texas, but my car was registered in California still)... then he tried to tell me that it was a law in California (it isn't) and I politely told him that he couldn't ticket me for a law in a different state. He ended up hitting me with a fix-it ticket for not having valid registration... my old one had just expired, and when I went to put the new one in, I evidently pulled the old one out, and then put it back in again and threw the new one away by accident. But I had the old one, and I had my insurance card from my company, and he called it in, no problem... but he gave me such an absurd amount of attitude it was absurd.

This is why I don't trust a damn thing that cops do, they try to ding you on any and everything that they can. I don't ever have anything to hide, but I refuse to give up my constitutional rights in order for them to get off by exerting their authority on people.

But as far as this situation goes... she technically didn't even have the right to read him the riot act, because he was driving the car perfectly legally. She was within the rights of the law to pull him over, but once she knew the situation, she should have left it at that and moved on. But again, people (and a lot around here) are way too damn quick to defend LEOs and act like they're demigods.

 

[Dana]

Look at the time of the original post. It was a buzz kill for my son and he had called home nervous as to what the officer was going to do. There was nothing we could do about the tag until Monday. We will get this resolved quickly. The problem is he has to be at his co-op job in Georgia Monday.

What's wrong with his truck?

 

[Natasha]

But again, people (and a lot around here) are way too damn quick to defend LEOs and act like they're demigods.

True, sometimes. But we certainly know that parents are NEVER quick to defend their children. :sarcasm

Like I said earlier, if it's really THAT big of a deal that a lecture (or "riot act" as it was put) was received instead of a citation, speak to the officer's immediate supervisor.

 

[Joe the meek]

Doesn't matter...still the same principle of assuming that what the person in the position of authority says is automatically right. My mother just went to a funeral a few weeks ago of a guy who didn't question his doctor who put him on lexapro to stop weight loss when he wasn't depressed. Look up the class action lawsuits in reference to suicide risks and lexapro...my mom's friend is a statistic who shot and killed himself w/in 2 days of being put on lexapro.

I'm not sure of your point other than incompetence can be found in any profession. The difference is that not many professions can affect you're own personal freedoms such as law enforcement.

Most people don't have a clue what the Patriot Act enabled the federal government to do, but it's chances are it's still Barney Fife with the badge that they have to be worried about.

 

[Natasha]

I'm not sure of your point other than incompetence can be found in any profession. The difference is that not many professions can affect you're own personal freedoms such as law enforcement.

LOL...imcompetence has no part in what I said. Forget it.

 

[Panacea]

I know what you're saying, Fred, it's not so much that the law is in place and the officer acted on it, it's like you do the right thing all your life, make a mistake, and get reamed for it. It's frustrating as hell. That's what happens to good people.

Honestly, I share the opinion of redliner in the sense that I personally wouldn't give two fucks if a cop wanted to search my home or car...I have nothing to hide. Not saying they should be able to do so whenever, there should be laws prohibiting that, and I understand if other people don't share that view for themselves, but I know for myself it's not a right I'm currently super worried about on a daily basis.

How are those new assholes working for you, red? :s lol They tear up nicely? :24:


Anyway, this all reminds me, I lost my wallet this weekend (Secretary of State was closed) drove back to where I left it and it was gone...left my info but no one called, the store's like "bitch your wallet isn't here, fuck off". So I cancelled my debit card and looked on the SOS website and ordered a replacement license right away online (I cannot leave work to go stand in line at the SOS for 2 fucking hours, my boss will kill me) but they didn't give me a temp card.

It's like...are you fucking kidding me? So I cannot drive for "14 days" while I wait for the fucking replacement? It would just be my luck that something would happen and I'd get knicked for driving without a license, even though I've never done so in my life. It sucks, for sure.

 

[redliner]

I am glad some agree. I was going crazy reading some of this crap. Thank you.

 

[Dana]

I know what you're saying, Fred, it's not so much that the law is in place and the officer acted on it, it's like you do the right thing all your life, make a mistake, and get reamed for it. It's frustrating as hell. That's what happens to good people.

Honestly, I share the opinion of redliner in the sense that I personally wouldn't give two fucks if a cop wanted to search my home or car...I have nothing to hide. Not saying they should be able to do so whenever, there should be laws prohibiting that, and I understand if other people don't share that view for themselves, but I know for myself it's not a right I'm currently super worried about on a daily basis.

How are those new assholes working for you, red? :s lol They tear up nicely? :24:


Anyway, this all reminds me, I lost my wallet this weekend (Secretary of State was closed) drove back to where I left it and it was gone...left my info but no one called, the store's like "bitch your wallet isn't here, fuck off". So I cancelled my debit card and looked on the SOS website and ordered a replacement license right away online (I cannot leave work to go stand in line at the SOS for 2 fucking hours, my boss will kill me) but they didn't give me a temp card.

It's like...are you fucking kidding me? So I cannot drive for "14 days" while I wait for the fucking replacement? It would just be my luck that something would happen and I'd get knicked for driving without a license, even though I've never done so in my life. It sucks, for sure.

I can understand but driving a new car I would think common sense would come into play. Why would you drive a car and not have the paperwork in the glove compartment? And if you didn't have it why would you drive it? You can be the most upstanding citizen but it only takes one goof up. I'm the last that should be replying as I don't drive but I do tend to think I have common sense in day to day affairs.

 

[HK]

It seems ridiculous to me that any profession which hinges on circumstances out of the individuals control should involve quotas.

What if no one's breaking the law that day? Why should the cops have to fulfill a certain number of whatever it is they do?

Same with dentists - our NHS dentists over here get something like incentives for the amount of work they do. Which is fine if lots of people need fillings, but not if everyone is brushing their teeth - then you get people being told they need work that they don't.

 

[Dana]

It seems ridiculous to me that any profession which hinges on circumstances out of the individuals control should involve quotas.

What if no one's breaking the law that day? Why should the cops have to fulfill a certain number of whatever it is they do?

Same with dentists - our NHS dentists over here get something like incentives for the amount of work they do. Which is fine if lots of people need fillings, but not if everyone is brushing their teeth - then you get people being told they need work that they don't.

All jobs have quotas of some sort.

 

[HK]

All jobs have quotas of some sort.

What sort of quota do you have to fulfill then?


Some jobs, it makes sense to have quotas. Like anything that involves selling a product. Obviously, then your performance should be rated on how much you can get out the door.


What about doctors though? Should they be given reviews based on how many contraceptive pills they prescribe and how many appendectomies they complete? Or social workers - maybe we should be judging them on exactly how many children they manage to 'rescue'. Never mind how many kids actually need taking out of bad situations.


There are some jobs that shouldn't have targets, or rather, shouldn't have targets that equate to 'drill this many teeth' or 'get this many arrests'. No wonder you get people bending the system.

 

[Joe the meek]

LOL...imcompetence has no part in what I said. Forget it.

Am I misunderstanding you or are you agreeing that law enforcement is one of the few "professions" that can take away your freedom as you know it?

North Carolina recently just had some major scandals on how their state crime lab basically lied and made up evidence against people, and now a good amount of people in jail stand a good chance of being let go. The only reason why this came to light? A local man with money was accused of killing his wife (and from all newspaper accounts and what the police had on him it looked like he was guilty, no questions asked) until this man brought in his own expert witnesses (ironically enough some of those experts the man brought in WROTE the books which the state crime lab was supposed to be following). Comes to light that the state crime lab intentionally withheld evidence and plain out "made up" evidence for the prosecution.

Not saying all legal system is corrupt, just don't assume because they are wearing a badge or work for the state that the "truth" is always what they are looking for.

As I said, incompetence can be found in any profession, just so happens that the legal "profession" can take away your freedoms.

 

[Natasha]

Am I misunderstanding you or are you agreeing that law enforcement is one of the few "professions" that can take away your freedom as you know it?

Absolutely they can take away your freedom...that's pretty much elementary, don't you think??? As for the rest, I don't have the patience or energy to try to explain myself 20 times over, so I'm not going to bother. My point was about people not questioning those in authority (it CAN be done politely).

And, for the record, police officesr do NOT have quotas...they can write as many tickets as they like. I haven't seen a single agency w/ a quota in the 11 years I've been working in public safety.

 

[Dana]

Absolutely they can take away your freedom...that's pretty much elementary, don't you think??? As for the rest, I don't have the patience or energy to try to explain myself 20 times over, so I'm not going to bother. My point was about people not questioning those in authority (it CAN be done politely).

And, for the record, police officesr do NOT have quotas...they can write as many tickets as they like. I haven't seen a single agency w/ a quota in the 11 years I've been working in public safety.

Most of the time people use that as an cop out when they get pissed off that they were stopped in the first place.

 

[AUFred]

They may not have quotas but I can point you to the speed traps in Prattville & Montgomery and 95 times out of a 100 there will be a cop there with a radar gun.

 

[Panacea]

I think to say there is no quota just means there isn't a specific number set every month, but like Natasha may have eluded to, the more, the better. It only makes sense, and that pressure comes from the higher ups. It's less about power for individual police officers and more about money.