Jeffrey Dahmer explains how atheism justified killing and cannibalism.

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Sending an atheist into radical fundamentalist Islamic territory is a death sentence :eek
Oh!....the irony of it all.

Yes..........and to further one groups gets 72 virgins
The other..gets to use the enemy as food...I could see the atheists pulling off the win
 
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No, as an atheist you have no excuse but the one you've created to justify your inability to indulge in a little light murdering.

I don't see the logic to that response.
Don't you mean " as an atheist you have no excuse but the one you've created to justify your indulgence in a little light murdering. "

That is exactly what Dahmer did.
But more than an atheist.....also likely a sociopath that was oblivious to the benefits and needs of a healthy society ( the realization of morality )......ie...insane. And yes, I'm aware the courts judged him sane enough to stand trial.

At the same time, I've seen fundamentalists act in sociopathic behavior using the Bible as their excuse.

I think this issue goes more to the state of mind of the individual.
You can't get rational output from an irrational individual, religious or non-religious.
But you can get a lot of excuses from both.
 

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If fear of god is the only thing that keeps some people in line, I shudder to think what those people would do if you took the fear away =/ There has to be more than religious-based morality. Plain and simple. Or we wouldn't be able to step outside.


What would happen if we all agreed with the trolls? Like reverse trolling kind of.
 

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If fear of god is the only thing that keeps some people in line, I shudder to think what those people would do if you took the fear away =/ There has to be more than religious-based morality. Plain and simple. Or we wouldn't be able to step outside.


What would happen if we all agreed with the trolls? Like reverse trolling kind of.
Not sure..but if it comes down to cannibalism I have got first call on the breasts
 
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I'd wager your average atheist and your average non-fundamentalist religious individual share a lot of similar morals.

Well said!

I think this issue goes more to the state of mind of the individual.
You can't get rational output from an irrational individual, religious or non-religious.
But you can get a lot of excuses from both.

Absolutely!
 

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I don't see the logic to that response.
Don't you mean " as an atheist you have no excuse but the one you've created to justify your indulgence in a little light murdering. "
No, I meant exactly what I said. If you've no God, then you've only yourself to answer to, right or wrong.
 

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I agree, but is it the truth,
or is the truth that technically, who is to say what is rational?
Who has the right,
and who gave them the right?
Some would say GOD,
but what about all the people who don't believe in GOD?
If do not have a higher power then you choose to do what you will by your own will, forget rationale.
 
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Is it rational for a dog to hunt down a rabbit and bite into it and kill and eat it?
We are animals as well if we take away what we consider morals and reasoning
we will hunt and eat our own kind.
Why do some dogs attack and kill other dogs,
where in the wild most of each species protects its own.
Do they have to have morals and reasoning?
 
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No, as an atheist you have no excuse but the one you've created to justify your inability to indulge in a little light murdering.

No, I meant exactly what I said. If you've no God, then you've only yourself to answer to, right or wrong.

As I posted, your first comment made no sense......thanks for restating it.


If you've no God, then you've only yourself to answer to, right or wrong.
You'd still have to answer to the rest of the society you belong to......and that is where an atheist will initially learn of acceptable behavior in regards to morality. Of course, mentally deficient/ill people will likely fail in those observations/lessons as the self over rides self control.
As shown, your logic fails.

The problem with the fundamentalist argument in this thread ( morality through faith ) is that it's subject to both rigid and blind obedience and wholly dependent upon the individual's interpretations of the Bible.
This is where morality and blind obedience collide.
So your premise of 'only yourself to answer to' is actually applicable to the fundamentalist mindset.
A sensible person walks away with a valuable lesson from the Bible, a person of greed and arrogance walks away with the rationale to make excuses using God as his motive and authority.
GW Bush and his neocon advisers were a prime example of this type of abuse.
( and yeah....Ive heard the rebuttal that they aren't true believers.......and I've also heard the fundamentalist call them brothers in Christ in the next breath....quite hypocritical, imo )

The paths to moral understanding are obviously different, but it's the result we are debating.
The fundamentalist outlook in this thread is claiming that the concepts of good and evil can not be determined independent of faith.
As I have shown, the paths may be different, but an intelligent person can observe, be taught and learn.
And as shown....a claim of faith isn't guaranteed morality.




Myself, I have a belief in God, but my faith doesn't blind me to reality. I'm obviously not a fundamentalist ;)
 

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Come on guys, it was a funny joke at the time!

[video=youtube;s55QoIZScP4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s55QoIZScP4[/video]
 

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As I posted, your first comment made no sense......thanks for restating it.
You'd still have to answer to the rest of the society you belong to......and that is where an atheist will initially learn of acceptable behavior in regards to morality. Of course, mentally deficient/ill people will likely fail in those observations/lessons as the self over rides self control.
As shown, your logic fails.
Then you clearly have no clue what my argument is.
The problem with the fundamentalist argument in this thread ( morality through faith ) is that it's subject to both rigid and blind obedience and wholly dependent upon the individual's interpretations of the Bible.
This is where morality and blind obedience collide.
So your premise of 'only yourself to answer to' is actually applicable to the fundamentalist mindset.
Then you clearly have no clue what my argument is, still.
A sensible person walks away with a valuable lesson from the Bible, a person of greed and arrogance walks away with the rationale to make excuses using God as his motive and authority.

GW Bush and his neocon.....
I can't even finish reading this. Is this guy for serious? lol
 

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You are obviously a sensible person and deserving of some rep :D

Whoo hoo! LOL!

Actually ... its funny. I researched different religions and I still can't find one that I would actually "join" or be considered a follower of. They all have some really good ideologies and concepts and yet they all have some really negative and contrary teachings.

Do you consider yourself part of any one religion, Stone?
 

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Then you clearly have no clue what my argument is.

Then you clearly have no clue what my argument is, still.

I can't even finish reading this. Is this guy for serious? lol


It's not my fault you can't express your position logically :D
 

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Whoo hoo! LOL!

Actually ... its funny. I researched different religions and I still can't find one that I would actually "join" or be considered a follower of. They all have some really good ideologies and concepts and yet they all have some really negative and contrary teachings.

Do you consider yourself part of any one religion, Stone?


Christian......I was brought up Methodist, but not comfortable with it when I was young.
I don't feel close to any denomination now, but I'm not looking for one.
I don't view the Bible as the inerrant word of God but rather man's chronicles of his association with God.
One grandfather impressed upon me that it was better to view the Old Testament as Jewish history . There are lessons there but a lot of contradictions to get hung up on. I think that's where many fundamentalists become irrational.
Especially Genesis.
Contradictions and blind obedience don't exactly promote good mental health :D
 

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Christian......I was brought up Methodist, but not comfortable with it when I was young.
I don't feel close to any denomination now, but I'm not looking for one.
I don't view the Bible as the inerrant word of God but rather man's chronicles of his association with God.
One grandfather impressed upon me that it was better to view the Old Testament as Jewish history . There are lessons there but a lot of contradictions to get hung up on. I think that's where many fundamentalists become irrational.
Especially Genesis.
Contradictions and blind obedience don't exactly promote good mental health :D

Very well said. That is exactly how I have always seen religious doctrine.

It reminds me of one of my favorite movies, "Inherit the Wind" and how Harry Drummond was defending the teacher who was teaching evolution in school. One of his lines concerning the bible, "It is a good book ... but it is not the only book!"
 

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Christian......I was brought up Methodist, but not comfortable with it when I was young.
I don't feel close to any denomination now, but I'm not looking for one.
I don't view the Bible as the inerrant word of God but rather man's chronicles of his association with God.
One grandfather impressed upon me that it was better to view the Old Testament as Jewish history . There are lessons there but a lot of contradictions to get hung up on. I think that's where many fundamentalists become irrational.
Especially Genesis.
Contradictions and blind obedience don't exactly promote good mental health :D

Oh come on Stone

Don't be bashful

We know the Caveman was there at the time chronicling things :D
 
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