Is this man a moral person?

[Minor Axis]

The poll is anomalous and you don't have to post to the thread to vote.

He is a financier. Does he deserve what he got because he worked hard for it, was at the right place at the right time, or was a very smart guy? Is this moral: grab whatever you can take or take whatever the systems allows you to take?
I'm curious how you all regard these rich people who are in dire need of tax breaks.

I say he is not and voted no.

Watch the Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDPBxN9Ez1o&NR=1

 

[itsmeJonB]

morality is subjective

greed, for lack of a better term, is good

 

[Minor Axis]

morality is subjective

greed, for lack of a better term, is good

Absolutely, so where does he fall in your moral scale?

In religious terms, greed is considered a sin and is immoral.

 

[retro]

What makes him immoral in your view? The fact that he made something of himself and lives the life that he does? There's no mention of whether or not he's a philanthropist, or what he does with his money other than his house or his cars. I voted yes simply because I didn't see anything immoral about him in that video clip. Morality is a relative term, because what you view as immoral doesn't match up with what I view as immoral. The fact that he's made a significant amount of money doesn't automatically mean that someone is immoral. Even what they do with that money doesn't make them immoral.

I don't think that you can judge morality by someone's bank account. Would you consider Bill Gates to be a moral person? When considering Microsoft? Or when you simply consider what he's done with his money in philanthropic efforts. It's not nearly as cut and dry as you're making it out to be here.

 

[retro]

Absolutely, so where does he fall in your moral scale?

In religious terms, greed is considered a sin and is immoral.

Who is to say that he's greedy? You can't make that claim without knowing the man and what he's done with his money or how he actually earned it.

 

[Peter Parka]

morality is subjective

:homo:

Being rich dosen't make you immoral. Maybe he does a lot for charity but because he's doing it for good and not self importance, he dosen't want to be seen doing it.

I'd have to know him better, is my answer.

 

[Minor Axis]

Who is to say that he's greedy? You can't make that claim without knowing the man and what he's done with his money or how he actually earned it.

It depends on your standard for morality now doesn't it? Most conservatives want to be just like this guy so they are cheering.

I say he's human, he used his talents to make himself insanely rich. He's content to live like nobility. Now if he decided to give over half of his wealth away to help others, I might modify my view, but I'm willing to bet 10 tolken right here and now, that with his 70 cars (some worth over a million each) and palatial mansion he's taking care of himself and setting his kids up to live the good life not really worrying about the needy.

I'll be honest and admit, if I was in his shoes, I might not be any better. I'd have to see. But it's pretty easy using the greed standard to condemn the lifestyle as immoral.

 

[Peter Parka]

Maybe he has enough money to enjoy himself AND help others, it's not exactly an absurd notion.

 

[dt3]

:24: He's immoral because he's taking care of his family and not everybody else's family? Humanity's problems are not this man's fault. Why should he be held responsible for (you assume) not helping the rest of the world? It's his decision, not my place to judge.

 

[Minor Axis]

:24: He's immoral because he's taking care of his family and not everybody else's family? Humanity's problems are not this man's fault. Why should he be held responsible for (you assume) not helping the rest of the world? It's his decision, not my place to judge.

This concept cuts right at your conservative core. I should not have to help anyone else, just me and mine. No he is immoral because he lives in extreme wealth while others around him do without. He lives in a society. We band together for the mutual good. This counts for nothing in your mind. Is your version of morality every man for himself?

 

[Peter Parka]

How do you know he isn't helping the poor unfortunates more than your average socialists? What you're saying is nothing more than factless preujudice.

 

[skyblue]

he made his wealth honestly,he owes no-one.....why should he feel guilty?...and as peter said,maybe he donates to charity

i wonder if he'd let me drive a few of his cars

 

[skyblue]

This concept cuts right at your conservative core. I should not have to help anyone else, just me and mine. No he is immoral because he lives in extreme wealth while others around him do without. He lives in a society. We band together for the mutual good. This counts for nothing in your mind. Is your version of morality every man for himself?

you live in america....look at your crime statistics and think about it

 

[Minor Axis]

How do you know he isn't helping the poor unfortunates more than your average socialists? What you're saying is nothing more than factless preujudice.

I accept you guys are not accepting my premise. However it's not prejudice, it's morality. :surrender

 

[HottyToddyChick]

Is the house excessive? Yes. Are the cars unnecessary? Yes. Could he be doing something more productive and/or generous with that money? Absolutely.

But he's not hurting anyone. As best I can tell, he came by the money honestly, and what he chooses to do with it is his own damn business. Same as I expect to not be told how to be spend my money.

 

[Minor Axis]

Is the word excessive compatible with morality? The situation is not unlike CEOs who used to make 15x what the average employee makes but now makes 1000x. No one is hurt? Whether the money was made without breaking any laws has little to do with morality.

 

[retro]

The situation is not unlike CEOs who used to make 15x what the average employee makes but now makes 1000x. No one is hurt? Whether the money was made without breaking any laws has little to do with morality.

How was his money made then? Or is your premise that making that much money simply immoral?

 

[Alien Allen]

I accept you guys are not accepting my premise. However it's not prejudice, it's morality. :surrender

Bull shit

You have just exposed your wealth envy when you dismiss the comments about what he might contribute to charity

You could care less if he does because he also lives the high life.

Admit it you are a hard core socialist that wants everybody on the same level.

Sad

 

[Peter Parka]

I accept you guys are not accepting my premise. However it's not prejudice, it's morality. :surrender

No it's prejudice, you havent shown a shred of evidence that this man screwed over others to make his money

Is the house excessive? Yes. Are the cars unnecessary? Yes. Could he be doing something more productive and/or generous with that money? Absolutely.

But he's not hurting anyone. As best I can tell, he came by the money honestly, and what he chooses to do with it is his own damn business. Same as I expect to not be told how to be spend my money.

:homo:

 

[Minor Axis]

Or is your premise that making that much money simply immoral?

Exactly.

Bull shit

You have just exposed your wealth envy when you dismiss the comments about what he might contribute to charity

You could care less if he does because he also lives the high life.

Admit it you are a hard core socialist that wants everybody on the same level.

Sad

Do you actually read all of my posts or respond on the first trigger? Yes I started a thread about making too much money and I have called it immoral. I also said that if I was in the same position, I don't know if I would be moral. I've said frequently that heads of companies should not ever make more than a couple million a year actually no one should no matter how brilliant you are. Why would I approve of billionaires?

No it's prejudice, you havent shown a shred of evidence that this man screwed over others to make his money

Depends on what your definition of screwing over others and is it moral to have an excess of weatlh in comparision to you fellow human beings? I can accept it if you all think this is moral. I just disagree with you.