Is Jesus your personal beast of burden?

[Peter Parka]

You don't like poetry?? Hmm....

There are more than one ways to find facts...

1. Direct through seeing and experimenting - none for god
2. Indirectly through not seeing and experimenting - none for god
3. From corollaries - silly made up word, still no proof of god
4 from manifestations and corroborative evidence - I tell you I saw a flying toaster, according to you thats evidence, lol!

You don't see air yet you know it is there...when it blows, your breathe or when you swiped through it!! - there is scientific evidence for air

you think yet cannot explain how and why thoughts come and where they go?? - Yes you can, get back to science class, buddy

you love your children, parents, friends etc more than anyone else yet don't know why this oddity?? -psychology, never heard of it?

Someone meets an accident and dies....not God's fault as someone...
the guy acted against the Science of God! -except you havent given us a shred of evidence to prove the existence of this god

God has its own ways of balancing things....earthquakes, floods, typhoons, Tsunamis, wars, etc etc
Ever heard 'animals' complain to God?? Only Humans are special endowed with Intellect and Will....and revolting against God's Science! - So you believe god is a genocidal maniac

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[mazHur]

Peter Parka
here are more than one ways to find facts...

1. Direct through seeing and experimenting - none for god

keep working.. God is not an easy goal!


2. Indirectly through not seeing and experimenting - none for god
Maybe your experiments are failing you or Man is thinking in the wrong direction, who knows??

3. From corollaries - silly made up word, still no proof of god

Ha!! then all math and science is silly, eh??

4 from manifestations and corroborative evidence - I tell you I saw a flying toaster, according to you thats evidence, lol!

thank goodness you didn't see an elephant flying!! hallucinations are NOT evidence!!

You don't see air yet you know it is there...when it blows, your breathe or when you swiped through it!! - there is scientific evidence for air

but my Question is :: can you see air?? It relates more to your senses than science

you think yet cannot explain how and why thoughts come and where they go?? - Yes you can, get back to science class, buddy

science class is over and millions are put on psychotic drugs! You call it science?? Men are made to take poison in the shape of pills!!

you love your children, parents, friends etc more than anyone else yet don't know why this oddity?? -psychology, never heard of it?

Until some time psychology was not considered a Science, now it is!! How frail is the human nature mind!

Someone meets an accident and dies....not God's fault as someone...
the guy acted against the Science of God! -except you havent given us a shred of evidence to prove the existence of this god

you have to find the evidence yerself...nobody has returned from heaven or hell to tell ya that all!!

God has its own ways of balancing things....earthquakes, floods, typhoons, Tsunamis, wars, etc etc
Ever heard 'animals' complain to God?? Only Humans are special endowed with Intellect and Will....and revolting against God's Science! - So you believe god is a genocidal maniac

God is the Most Merciful yet tough at the same time...HE does what HE thinks is Better for his folk!
You cannot measure HIS traits with the level of your human thinking...
that would be an insult to the Supreme Being!

 

[Peter Parka]

:24::24::24::24: I see you're still having a problem coming up with something called evidence. Get back to me when you've found some.:thumbup

 

[mazHur]

It's useless debating with you whose science is bereft of finding any evidence for the Creator and keeps bugging others for his science's failure in this regard and more!!

''[During the past fifty years, however, scientists have made some amazing discoveries. These discoveries, especially in the field of biochemistry, have uncovered convincing evidence of design in the universe. Where there is design, there must be a designer. The Bible calls this designer “God.”

Wernher von Braun, the rocket scientist who helped put men on the moon, wrote, “The better we understand the intricacies of the universe, the more reason we have found to marvel at the inherent design upon which it is based.” This great rocket scientist marveled at the design in the universe. What is the source of this design?

The noted British physicist, Lord Kelvin, once said, “If you think strongly enough, you will be forced by science to believe in God.”

Louis Pasteur wrote, “A little science estranges men from God, but much science leads them back to Him.”]''

 

[Peter Parka]

You flatter me, sir! Science isn't my evidence, its everyones evidence. I consider myself an agnostic. I dont rule out there being a god thought the god of the bibles non existence is proved beyond doubt.I think there MAYBE a god though all the evidence points against it. I'm interested to know though what makes you 100% certain there is a god when you seem to have no proof whatsover. Most people would call that being extremely gullible.

 

[mazHur]

there are billion witnesses to the fact that God exists...is it not One of a proof that God exists??
You would say billions don't believe this......then are those who don't believe going to decide or those that do??

Read this....if you may like!
The Beatitudes

1And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him. 2Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:

3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

 

[Peter Parka]

Can you show me some of these witnesses (David Icke dosent count due to his mental problems) and their proof that god exists?

 

[mazHur]

you call yerself the king of cunts yet don't know God's love is manifest in every orgasm??ha!

Icke might be thinking the same about his critics!!

 

[porterjack]

:horse

come on Parka you know better

 

[Minor Axis]

there are billion witnesses to the fact that God exists...is it not One of a proof that God exists??

Billions believe but yet have witnessed nothing imho.

1And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him. 2Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:

Quoting scripture is a dead give away we are in a faith based discussion. Would everyone please acknowledge this?

It's useless debating with you whose science is bereft of finding any evidence for the Creator and keeps bugging others for his science's failure in this regard and more!!

''[During the past fifty years, however, scientists have made some amazing discoveries. These discoveries, especially in the field of biochemistry, have uncovered convincing evidence of design in the universe. Where there is design, there must be a designer. The Bible calls this designer “God.”

Wernher von Braun, the rocket scientist who helped put men on the moon, wrote, “The better we understand the intricacies of the universe, the more reason we have found to marvel at the inherent design upon which it is based.” This great rocket scientist marveled at the design in the universe. What is the source of this design?

The noted British physicist, Lord Kelvin, once said, “If you think strongly enough, you will be forced by science to believe in God.”

Louis Pasteur wrote, “A little science estranges men from God, but much science leads them back to Him.”]''

I think it all boils down to what your definition of God is. Lots think they know, but no one does with any basis other than a feeling. Lets go back to the beginning. Ancient, and I mean ANCIENT man decided there was a super being who lives in the sky (or somewhere) and he has to responsible for the universe, rules for us, control of our souls, etc, etc, basically everything we can't explain. And he also laid down rules of which there is no evidence either, but lets not let that stop us from believing. Simple, easy to understand. Alas, beret of any factual evidence. It's called faith.

:24::24::24::24: I see you're still having a problem coming up with something called evidence. Get back to me when you've found some.:thumbup

Agreed, the best that can be hoped for is testimony.

That`s why I hate debates of this nature......it turns good people against each other...and for what?

Agreed there is that tendency. For many the issue is decided, but for those who inquire, it can provide a basis for contemplation, but mostly it's a circular discussion where the faithful quote scripture, the disbelievers cite lack of evidence and nothing is proven either way, other than... there are no 'facts", "proof", or "evidence", just faith.

:horse

:thumbup

 

[mazHur]

Faith doesn't need be proved...it's self-evident.

 

[Minor Axis]

Faith doesn't need be proved...it's self-evident.

It is a fall back position when a provable foundation does not exist. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that you have not proven your position. My belief is just as valid as yours.

–noun 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.

2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.

3. belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.

4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.

5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.

7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.

8. Christian Theology . the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.

 

[mazHur]

It is a fall back position when a provable foundation does not exist. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that you have not proven your position. My belief is just as valid as yours.

–noun 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.

2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.

3. belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.

4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.

5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.

7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.

8. Christian Theology . the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.

this gives rise to another question about FACT...
Both TANGIBLE AND INTANGIBLE things are FACT or not??? What's the difference between them??

 

[Greatest I am]

Hardly a response of a person who claims to be a deist, just as I knew, one of the fakers :thumbup

If you can't take tough love then--------


Deist concern themselves more with morality than the useless discussion of the non-provable existence of God.

I offered a moral judgment.

Are we not our brothers keeper, sonny?

Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

this gives rise to another question about FACT...
Both TANGIBLE AND INTANGIBLE things are FACT or not??? What's the difference between them??

I don't believe there is such a thing as an intangible fact.

The word fact can refer to verified information about past or present circumstances or events which are presented as objective reality. In science, it means a provable concept.[1][2].

objective: adjective 5. not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.

Any other definitions I can provide? Listen, I don't hold your faith against you or anyone. Just don't tell me how it is based on your feelings. They are good for you. That does not mean they are good for everyone. Your feelings don't mean you have corned the market on truth.

 

[Greatest I am]

God has its own ways of balancing things....earthquakes, floods, typhoons, Tsunamis, wars, etc etc
Ever heard 'animals' complain to God?? Only Humans are special endowed with Intellect and Will....and revolting against God's Science! - So you believe god is a genocidal maniac

God is the Most Merciful yet tough at the same time...HE does what HE thinks is Better for his folk!

Yes and those of Noah's day agree. Not.

You cannot measure HIS traits with the level of your human thinking...
that would be an insult to the Supreme Being!

And why not?

Did Adam and Eve not become as God's, knowing good and evil?

Gods can judge God.

If they led the way, should we not follow?

Further, are we not encouraged to do just that by the bible?

Have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?-------Jesus.

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

It's useless debating with you whose science is bereft of finding any evidence for the Creator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe-RQ79RKG4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyA8cIzosFU

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Faith doesn't need be proved...it's self-evident.

So is idiocy, stupidity, immorality, fantasy etc.

At least to those who are not in the above groups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDbesQQi9yc&feature=related

Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

You cannot measure HIS traits with the level of your human thinking...
that would be an insult to the Supreme Being!

This sounds like one of the best excuses to abandon logical thought processes.

The Dragon in Your Garage... I like it.

 

[porterjack]

This sounds like one of the best excuses to abandon logical thought processes.

1984 George Orwell?