Is ignoring Jesus on divorce breaking the first commandment?

[Greatest I am]

Is ignoring Jesus on divorce breaking the first commandment?
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
In the eyes of Jesus, there was no earthly reason for divorce. This stance was apparently softened by the writers of scripture because of long held Jewish and Roman beliefs and customs where men could divorce their wives for a variety of reasons. Women‘s right to divorce was not in any way as liberal.
They are certainly putting their policies above Gods and in this way breaking the first commandment.
Are Christians and Catholics who follow Trinitarian thinking going against God’s first commandment by ignoring Jesus’ standards and divorcing their wives?
Here is a priest who says that marriage has nothing to do with religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qvOifikAlk&feature=related
Here is a segment that says marriage has everything to do with religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck7zUNgWFtk&feature=related
Here is one for fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw
Regards
DL

 

[cam elle toe]

Is ignoring Jesus on divorce breaking the first commandment?
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
In the eyes of Jesus, there was no earthly reason for divorce. This stance was apparently softened by the writers of scripture because of long held Jewish and Roman beliefs and customs where men could divorce their wives for a variety of reasons. Women‘s right to divorce was not in any way as liberal.
They are certainly putting their policies above Gods and in this way breaking the first commandment.
Are Christians and Catholics who follow Trinitarian thinking going against God’s first commandment by ignoring Jesus’ standards and divorcing their wives?
Here is a priest who says that marriage has nothing to do with religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qvOifikAlk&feature=related
Here is a segment that says marriage has everything to do with religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck7zUNgWFtk&feature=related
Here is one for fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw
Regards
DL

SImply....No. I thought the 1st Commandment was:
Thou shalt have no other Gods before me....

You have quoted a marriage vow...written by a Church Leader...not a commandment as far as I can tell:dunno

 

[hart]

SImply....No. I thought the 1st Commandment was:
Thou shalt have no other Gods before me....

You have quoted a marriage vow...written by a Church Leader...not a commandment as far as I can tell:dunno

Cam very good point! :thumbup

 

[Dana]

i wish youd stop posting *referring to OP*

 

[Dana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk41Gbjljfo

 

[hart]

Oh hon, he wants to post his stuff, let him, if we feel like answering him we will, if not, just ignore......it's all good It's sometimes just fun to read the responses more than the actual question

 

[cam elle toe]

Oh hon, he wants to post his stuff, let him, if we feel like answering him we will, if not, just ignore......it's all good It's sometimes just fun to read the responses more than the actual question

:homo:

I like his posts....they're thought provoking.

 

[Accountable]

Is ignoring Jesus on divorce breaking the first commandment?
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
In the eyes of Jesus, there was no earthly reason for divorce. This stance was apparently softened by the writers of scripture because of long held Jewish and Roman beliefs and customs where men could divorce their wives for a variety of reasons. Women‘s right to divorce was not in any way as liberal.
They are certainly putting their policies above Gods and in this way breaking the first commandment.
Are Christians and Catholics who follow Trinitarian thinking going against God’s first commandment by ignoring Jesus’ standards and divorcing their wives?
Regards
DL

Well, ignoring the minor detail that the 'asunder' line didn't come from Jesus, I look at it this way: if God had joined them, meaning the couple were meant to be together, then they wouldn't get divorced. The very fact that they screwed up the relationship to the point that they decide to divorce is evidence in and of itself that God didn't want them to stay together.

I base it on the same logic of declaring the King as King by declaration of God. He is King because he won the war, which he never would have won had God not wanted him to be King. Then, later, should he be defeated, then that would be proof positive that God didn't want him to be King anymore. The King is dead! Long live the King!

 

[Accountable]

SImply....No. I thought the 1st Commandment was:
Thou shalt have no other Gods before me....

You have quoted a marriage vow...written by a Church Leader...not a commandment as far as I can tell:dunno

You & I are both wrong, Cam.

From Matthew, chapter 19:

1When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"


4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."


7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"


8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."


10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."


11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
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[cam elle toe]

You & I are both wrong, Cam.

From Matthew, chapter 19:

1When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"


4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."


7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"


8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."


10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."


11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
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Its still not from the 10 commandments....its a sermon from Jesus.

Well, ignoring the minor detail that the 'asunder' line didn't come from Jesus, I look at it this way: if God had joined them, meaning the couple were meant to be together, then they wouldn't get divorced. The very fact that they screwed up the relationship to the point that they decide to divorce is evidence in and of itself that God didn't want them to stay together.

I base it on the same logic of declaring the King as King by declaration of God. He is King because he won the war, which he never would have won had God not wanted him to be King. Then, later, should he be defeated, then that would be proof positive that God didn't want him to be King anymore. The King is dead! Long live the King!

and I agree with this....

 

[Roxi]

If I was actually religious I would still answer no to this question..

I am divorced and for good reason, my ex husband cheated on me for MANY years to which most of them I know about (5 in total not sure about the rest) these were not short ended affairs, most of them lasted months and I know of one that went on for close to 6monts. I stood by him though all of the we went to counseling and everything but when the last one got pregnant I had had enough. I was raised Roman Catholic and even though I do not follow the church nor believe in a higher power though my life experiences I still do not believe in divorce. But I do not feel that any woman should have to endure the mental pain and anguish I have so I do not believe divorce is bad if it is for the right reasons.

 

[Accountable]

If I was actually religious I would still answer no to this question..

I am divorced and for good reason, my ex husband cheated on me for MANY years to which most of them I know about (5 in total not sure about the rest) these were not short ended affairs, most of them lasted months and I know of one that went on for close to 6monts. I stood by him though all of the we went to counseling and everything but when the last one got pregnant I had had enough. I was raised Roman Catholic and even though I do not follow the church nor believe in a higher power though my life experiences I still do not believe in divorce. But I do not feel that any woman should have to endure the mental pain and anguish I have so I do not believe divorce is bad if it is for the right reasons.

Even Jesus made exceptions for adultery.

 

[cam elle toe]

Is ignoring Jesus on divorce breaking the first commandment?
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Lets throw this in the mix just for fun...

Jesus is/was a mortal "man"

So....Him saying its OK to divorce on grounds of adultery...is that a "mere man" putting asunder?:ninja

 

[Greatest I am]

SImply....No. I thought the 1st Commandment was:
Thou shalt have no other Gods before me....

You have quoted a marriage vow...written by a Church Leader...not a commandment as far as I can tell:dunno

My first though was that you give truth to this--

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28religion.html?_r=2&src=tp

But I will reseve it till you explain further if you like.
I might learn something.

A vow that they quoted Jesus/God on.
Based on A & E of on becoming one flesh.

Are you agreeing with that idiot priest?

Thou shalt have no other Gods before me

What did God say about marriage then?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Cam very good point! :thumbup

We shall see.
You know I do not say something without thought.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

i wish youd stop posting *referring to OP*

I must be hurting your head. Thinking will do that to the simple minded.
Stop reading.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Its still not from the 10 commandments....its a sermon from Jesus.

To a Christian, that makes it a sermon from God.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

If I was actually religious I would still answer no to this question..

I am divorced and for good reason, my ex husband cheated on me for MANY years to which most of them I know about (5 in total not sure about the rest) these were not short ended affairs, most of them lasted months and I know of one that went on for close to 6monts. I stood by him though all of the we went to counseling and everything but when the last one got pregnant I had had enough. I was raised Roman Catholic and even though I do not follow the church nor believe in a higher power though my life experiences I still do not believe in divorce. But I do not feel that any woman should have to endure the mental pain and anguish I have so I do not believe divorce is bad if it is for the right reasons.

Nice and straight forward.
You do not believe in divorce but you do believe in divorce.

Thanks for this.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Even Jesus made exceptions for adultery.

Scholars generally agree that this was added later to appease the Jews and Romans who saw divorce as a right for men. not for women of course.

Regards
DL

 

[sexysadie]

it's not a commandment but it's more than a marriage vow, it's an actual quote from the bible. Mark 10:9