iPad Launched!!

[Ertragen]

With a product being called the ipad, going from a tablet pc that isn't much better then my phone to a sanitary pad is natural thread progression ;-p

So what kinda phone you got?

 

[edgray]

iPad sucks, iPod sucks, iPhone sucks, imac sucks, iDiots who use mac products suck. sucks suck suck.
Yep if you are mac fan then you suck so bad you suck monkey balls.

So intelligent! Great answer! :sarcasm

Mac is never a first in anything. Fact: Mac is a company very good at marketing and fooling customers into thinking they are the first one to come out with various technologies when in reality they all have been around and just hasn't been properly marketed yet until they started doing so.

Mac's were never first with anything??!! :24: :24: :24: :24:

You should really look up something before you start a diatribe of total ignorance. Apple not only started the entire personal computer scene, they introduced mice, graphical OSs, spreadsheets, machines without pointless floppy drives, FireWire, changed the ENTIRE MUSIC INDUSTRY with iPods and iTunes, made EVERY SINGLE PHONE COMPANY scramble and redefine how mobile phones are designed... yeah, its JUST down to marketing...

Examples:
Mac - dual boot, 2 or more OS in one system (only started with their intel based macs)
PC - always could do dual boot.

this is because of the chip set. But Macs, if you knew anything, have been running windows and opening windows files as long as windows has been around. Besides, if you've got Mac OS X, why would you want to dual boot with Windows? It would be like buying a ferrari and putting a mini-engine in it.

Mac - only came out with mp3 players years after bunch of other technology companies already been selling them. people started buying iPods only because they look like skittles
PC - been there done that, just horrible outer shell design.

MP3 was a stagnant format, mp3 players were useless, people didn't see the application. Apple saw the potential and totally created the market. We'd still be using discmans if it weren't for Apple.

Mac - 3G - you had to wait for their phone #2.
Samsung and HTC - had 3G phones even before apple came out with their 1st iPhone which still was not 3G

That was down to battery life. Apple, unlike Samsung etc have high standards. They waited until they could deliver sufficient battery life.

Mac - For very long time still only had 1 button mouse.
PC - always had multiple buttons and allowed quick access via mouse clicks

If you've ever watched a mac user, a designer or something, you'll see that from a productivity standpoint, 1 mouse button was always enough because of the power of using it in tandem with keyboard shortcuts. Now of course, my mouse (magic mouse) does far more than any other brand.

Mac - computers with builtin computer screen - came out in 1998.
PC - Osborne 1 - The First Portable Computer from 1981 one of the first to come out with system with builtin screen.

No, apple's Mac came out in 1984 actually. Clearly you know nothing of this subject, do you? 14 years out!

Mac - pretty? only if you are a chick or gay.
PC - pretty sure, there are choices choices. - and it also is very smart inside.

Nice, a little bit of homophobia? That makes you sound soooo intelligent! well done sir, well done!

Show me one single PC that is even close to the design and build of Macs. You can't, because they don't exist. It's that simple.

Mac - every little part and accessories cost so damn much and if you want something that works with mac, alot of stuff you go to mac, it costs arm and a leg. I have seen a freakin usb connector for $40. It's just a tiny little connector with a usb end. I mean come on. $40???
PC - you got so many vendors and price range it's freakin awesome.

You get what you pay for. Simple as that. You want quality, you pay for it.

Mac - iPAD - just came out a device that allows multi touch? that's also a computer? HA!
PC - Microsoft already had and posted video of their product that had multi touch technology and had capability to interact with your other digital devices. and in few years will sell to high end customers.

but that's the difference isn't it? Microsofts multi touch failed because it didn't serve a purpose. Apple ship products people use. That's the difference. Microsoft Surface? Biggest joke ever.

Mac - I have seen a virus on it. I have seen it crash. I have fixed it with a PC.
PC - fixes itself, other PCs, and MACS. There were some hard drives, that needed to be repaired but when mounted, it would cause a mac to crash. I just had to plug it into a PC, repair the drive cause stupid mac couldn't do it. Awwwww.

I've worked with macs since the nineties, never once seen a virus. I've witnessed a fraction of the crashes that I have on windows machines, and I've worked on macs at least twice as much.

About repairing drives - you simply don't know how to do it. I repair macs as part of my job, and do it with total ease. Just because you don't know how to do something, doesn't mean it can't be done.

 

[edgray]

If all you want is a gimmick then sure get it, but I prefer an actual pc to a tablet that is basically a glorified iphone.

No usb port is a fail to me, no way to add more memory or space? fail as well. .I personally don't give a hoot about apple products so design and "unique interface" don't mean crap to me either. I prefer my books in paper form rather then electronic so I don't care about that either.. Plus my bias for apple products means that I don't like it period. .Obviously this is all my opinion and I'm not trying to say it's fact. You can love it all you want but as far as I'm concerned Apple is a rip off on everything they do.

My laptop was 699.99 when I bought it 4 months ago. Here's the specs

toshiba satellite 17"

2.10 ghz processor
intel centrino dual core
4 gig ram (upgradeable to 8)
500 gig hdd
harman/kardon speakers
touch static media bar button thingies
full 10 key
illuminated keyboard and a slick black finish
built in camera/microphone
3 usb ports
hdmi out


show me a mac that has all that that's anywhere near that price. .and satellites are excellent laptops.

But that's the point - buy a laptop then! This device is meant for people that don't need all the functionality of a laptop - it's not a laptop replacement...

 

[Ertragen]

So intelligent! Great answer!



Mac's were never first with anything??!!

You should really look up something before you start a diatribe of total ignorance. Apple not only started the entire personal computer scene, they introduced mice, graphical OSs, spreadsheets, machines without pointless floppy drives, FireWire, changed the ENTIRE MUSIC INDUSTRY with iPods and iTunes, made EVERY SINGLE PHONE COMPANY scramble and redefine how mobile phones are designed... yeah, its JUST down to marketing...

If you are going to dispute something then you should get your own facts straight.

Apple did NOT start the entire computer scene. IBM started it.
And they aren't the ones to invent optical drives and such. Just like any other companies they merely adapted the devices and integrated into their systems. And btw, MacOSX is now based on Unix same thing Linux is based on. You ASSUME Windows is the only option for PCs. and PC is a Ferrari, and Mac is a VW Bug. (both VW bug and Macs are purchased by iDiots only cause it's "ohh so pretty")

this is because of the chip set. But Macs, if you knew anything, have been running windows and opening windows files as long as windows has been around. Besides, if you've got Mac OS X, why would you want to dual boot with Windows? It would be like buying a ferrari and putting a mini-engine in it.

Mac could NOT run windows before intel basec Chipset. It could only open windows files. It only had virtual machines running but that's not native. PCs could run multiple OS native.

MP3 was a stagnant format, mp3 players were useless, people didn't see the application. Apple saw the potential and totally created the market. We'd still be using discmans if it weren't for Apple.

Apple did NOT create mp3 format. and therefore they can't claim to be the pioneers of it in any way. Obviously the format was out there and already had its recognition to be an idea worth implementing in iTunes. Also, you seem to assume that PCs are limited by same limitations of MacOSX. Alot of apps for Mac OS X are made by mac, but PCs always had various 3rd party apps and SO SO SO MANY of them out there and alot of real good free ones even and it's those open source communities that make a format popular, not some big company that just puts it in some pretty interface.

That was down to battery life. Apple, unlike Samsung etc have high standards. They waited until they could deliver sufficient battery life.

The battery life has nothing to do with it. It's a data transfer protocol. It's not how long you can operate a device.

If you've ever watched a mac user, a designer or something, you'll see that from a productivity standpoint, 1 mouse button was always enough because of the power of using it in tandem with keyboard shortcuts. Now of course, my mouse (magic mouse) does far more than any other brand.

I know graphic designers, music producers, and webdesigners. Mac does not enhance their lives. It's just another interface for them.
Multibutton mouse IS smarter than one button mouse mac had for long time because, it actually had MORE power than one button mouse by having quick shortcuts to your frequently used commands.
If you are saying one button mouse is better and then why are you now praising your "magic mouse" which btw IS multitouch (multibutton mouse but without physically seperate buttons)

No, apple's Mac came out in 1984 actually. Clearly you know nothing of this subject, do you? 14 years out!

I didn't say MAC came out in 1998. You clearly didn't read what I said.
I said, "iMac" see the little i before the Mac? I was specifically talking about their computers with monitors built in. If you want to talk about first computer, again Steve Jobs were just another geek looking at, studying, and tweaking ready made systems and learning to build his own. So yes there were home computers available way before Steve Jobs even had a company.

Nice, a little bit of homophobia? That makes you sound soooo intelligent! well done sir, well done!

I'm not homophobic, I'm just "edgray"-phobic, stop staring at me like that

Show me one single PC that is even close to the design and build of Macs. You can't, because they don't exist. It's that simple.

Dell XPS. Not all Dells are great but this one I would sleep with in bed if I could. *ahem*

You get what you pay for. Simple as that. You want quality, you pay for it.

You are only right so far about "you get what you pay for" that's why some people have no clue what they are talking about when they argue pc versus mac. They always try to get computers at cheapest price. With macs, you got one price. "expensive" with PCs, you have choices. People way too often just opt out for cheapest crap out there.

but that's the difference isn't it? Microsofts multi touch failed because it didn't serve a purpose. Apple ship products people use. That's the difference. Microsoft Surface? Biggest joke ever.

Again you didn't quite read what I said.
Microsoft multi touch "video" was posted. and it is marketted to Big clients who can afford it but yes they are the first to have it and it DIDN'T fail because it hasn't even been out yet. so obviously you are thinking I am talking about something else. Microsoft so far has NEVER put out anything multi touch so you are making up stuff now.

I've worked with macs since the nineties, never once seen a virus. I've witnessed a fraction of the crashes that I have on windows machines, and I've worked on macs at least twice as much.

I have worked on PCs since the 90s. I almost never had virus issues on my PC because I am not some mac idiot. I have even seen a virus on a friend's mac I had to clean out. They exist. You are either ignoring the fact or you dont' really have that much experience.

About repairing drives - you simply don't know how to do it. I repair macs as part of my job, and do it with total ease. Just because you don't know how to do something, doesn't mean it can't be done.

I know how to repair drives just fine.
I did that upon request by a MAC Tech (one of you people).
a Mac Tech couldn't do it and asked ME (PC tech) to fix it for him.

 

[ClicheGuevara]

So what kinda phone you got?

I have the G1, android platform.. And I think it kills iphone for two main reasons. .Open source programming= tons of free programs, and full keyboard.

iphones are cool, and I almost got one regardless of my hate for apple products...But not having a full keyboard really turned me off on it. Glad I got the G1 though, I think Android platform is going to explode.

And Edgray- it just seems gimmicky to me, for them to put out a tablet that they are marketing as a solution for ebook readers(ok that should work fine) and a netbook? How can it even be that useful for internet surfing when it doesn't even support flash? It's just like a lot of apple products, overpriced and underpowered. It's another fashion statement for all those hipsters out there with their white headphones.

 

[itsmeJonB]

I have to agree
I hate Dells but the XPS was nicknamed the show stopper for a very good reason

 

[Francis]

 

[edgray]

If you are going to dispute something then you should get your own facts straight.

Apple did NOT start the entire computer scene. IBM started it.
And they aren't the ones to invent optical drives and such. Just like any other companies they merely adapted the devices and integrated into their systems. And btw, MacOSX is now based on Unix same thing Linux is based on. You ASSUME Windows is the only option for PCs. and PC is a Ferrari, and Mac is a VW Bug. (both VW bug and Macs are purchased by iDiots only cause it's "ohh so pretty")

Considering IBM didn't launch a "personal computer" until 1981, several years AFTER Apple, I can happily say that you are wrong on that one. Nice try though.

This is how the personal computer revolution happened:

"The first personal computer was the Altair 8800, which briefly appeared on the scene in 1975. Two years later, the Apple II was unveiled. According to Time, it was "the machine that made the revolution," and was the offspring of Steven Jobs and Steven Wozniak. The latter was Apple's star designer, while Jobs used uncanny marketing skills to build Apple into a highly profitable concern with stock worth $1.7 billion by 1983. The personal computer did not long remain the private domain of Apple and one or two other upstart companies. In 1981, IBM introduced its PC, having previously focused its efforts on manufacturing mainframe business computers. Incorporating the Intel microprocessor, the IBM PC set the standard for quality. That same year, Adam Osborne, a Bangkok-born British columnist, introduced a 24-pound portable computer with detachable keyboard, 64K of memory and a diminutive five-inch screen, which retailed for $1,795. The progenitor of the laptop, the Osborne I was so successful that a host of imitators quickly followed. Even more compact than the Osborne, Clive Sinclair's 12-ounce ZX80, marketed in 1980 (as the Timex Sinclair 1000 in the U.S.) introduced many people to the possibilities of computers, in spite of its limitations, thanks to a $99 list price. One of the most popular and least expensive personal computers of the early Eighties was the $595 Commodore 64."

As for only being purchased "iDiots", that's up to you to think, but most mac users I know buy them for work purposes - productivity on macs is higher than on windows-based PCs - having worked extensively on both I have seen this first-hand.

Mac could NOT run windows before intel basec Chipset. It could only open windows files. It only had virtual machines running but that's not native. PCs could run multiple OS native.

Yes of course windows would only run under a virtual machine. Who would possibly want that to run natively anyway? A big step-back.

Apple did NOT create mp3 format. and therefore they can't claim to be the pioneers of it in any way. Obviously the format was out there and already had its recognition to be an idea worth implementing in iTunes. Also, you seem to assume that PCs are limited by same limitations of MacOSX. Alot of apps for Mac OS X are made by mac, but PCs always had various 3rd party apps and SO SO SO MANY of them out there and alot of real good free ones even and it's those open source communities that make a format popular, not some big company that just puts it in some pretty interface.

No they didn't invent the MP3 format, they've invented the far superior AAC format though. But they are still considered THE pioneer of MP3 technology. Before the iPod, it was a barely used format, with no decent players or software to use. Enter Apple with iTunes and iPod. This, you have to admit, is where Steve Job's genius lies - he saw the potential of the home computer to be the centre of people's lives - organising their music, their photos, their movies etc etc.

The battery life has nothing to do with it. It's a data transfer protocol. It's not how long you can operate a device.

Actually battery life has EVERYTHING to do with it. 3G is a much larger drain on batteries than a simple 2G connection.

I know graphic designers, music producers, and webdesigners. Mac does not enhance their lives. It's just another interface for them.

For all the mac users I know, it makes their lives a whole heap easier. Mac OSX puts as little barriers as possible between you and your work. Unlike Windows, that throws them up left, right and center.

Multibutton mouse IS smarter than one button mouse mac had for long time because, it actually had MORE power than one button mouse by having quick shortcuts to your frequently used commands.

Keyboard shortcuts are quicker than using a mouse. Watch any graphic designer worth their salt and see how quickly they apply functions using shortcuts. Why would you bother with a second mouse button?

If you are saying one button mouse is better and then why are you now praising your "magic mouse" which btw IS multitouch (multibutton mouse but without physically seperate buttons)

I have the second button turned off on my magic mouse. I have no need for it. If I want a contextual menu, I just hold ctrl down, my hand is always on the left hand side of the keyboard. So you can right.-click all you want, I know I can achieve more, faster with shortcuts.

I didn't say MAC came out in 1998. You clearly didn't read what I said.
I said, "iMac" see the little i before the Mac? I was specifically talking about their computers with monitors built in. If you want to talk about first computer, again Steve Jobs were just another geek looking at, studying, and tweaking ready made systems and learning to build his own. So yes there were home computers available way before Steve Jobs even had a company.

You didn't say "i", you said Mac:

Why should I bother debating with someone who can't even remember what they said?

I'm not homophobic, I'm just "edgray"-phobic, stop staring at me like that

You are only right so far about "you get what you pay for" that's why some people have no clue what they are talking about when they argue pc versus mac. They always try to get computers at cheapest price. With macs, you got one price. "expensive" with PCs, you have choices. People way too often just opt out for cheapest crap out there.

Agreed.

Again you didn't quite read what I said.
Microsoft multi touch "video" was posted. and it is marketted to Big clients who can afford it but yes they are the first to have it and it DIDN'T fail because it hasn't even been out yet. so obviously you are thinking I am talking about something else. Microsoft so far has NEVER put out anything multi touch so you are making up stuff now.

YouTube - Microsoft Surface - The Possibilities

but a better description is this one:

YouTube - Microsoft Surface Parody

I have worked on PCs since the 90s. I almost never had virus issues on my PC because I am not some mac idiot. I have even seen a virus on a friend's mac I had to clean out. They exist. You are either ignoring the fact or you dont' really have that much experience.

I studied software engineering at uni. I got my first computer at the age of 5 in 1981, I've used Commodore's, IBMs a variety of windows machines, unix terminals etc. i have used Apple's on a professional basis for the past 14 years, owned many and I have 3 years mac repair and troubleshooting experience. Which is part of the job I'm doing now. I've had more mac experience and spent more time using macs than most. Never once seen a virus. I'm aware that they used to exist back in OS9 days, but OSX is far too secure.

I know how to repair drives just fine.
I did that upon request by a MAC Tech (one of you people).
a Mac Tech couldn't do it and asked ME (PC tech) to fix it for him.

Well then that Mac tech needs to be ashamed of themselves.

At the end of the day, Ertragen, if Apple's stuff is so bad, then why, when they bring out a new computer, a new OS, a new phone, a new whatever, does every company on the planet scramble to try and replicate at least some part of it?

 

[Ertragen]

Considering IBM didn't launch a "personal computer" until 1981, several years AFTER Apple, I can happily say that you are wrong on that one. Nice try though.

This is how the personal computer revolution happened:

"The first personal computer was the Altair 8800, which briefly appeared on the scene in 1975. Two years later, the Apple II was unveiled. According to Time, it was "the machine that made the revolution," and was the offspring of Steven Jobs and Steven Wozniak. The latter was Apple's star designer, while Jobs used uncanny marketing skills to build Apple into a highly profitable concern with stock worth $1.7 billion by 1983. The personal computer did not long remain the private domain of Apple and one or two other upstart companies. In 1981, IBM introduced its PC, having previously focused its efforts on manufacturing mainframe business computers. Incorporating the Intel microprocessor, the IBM PC set the standard for quality. That same year, Adam Osborne, a Bangkok-born British columnist, introduced a 24-pound portable computer with detachable keyboard, 64K of memory and a diminutive five-inch screen, which retailed for $1,795. The progenitor of the laptop, the Osborne I was so successful that a host of imitators quickly followed. Even more compact than the Osborne, Clive Sinclair's 12-ounce ZX80, marketed in 1980 (as the Timex Sinclair 1000 in the U.S.) introduced many people to the possibilities of computers, in spite of its limitations, thanks to a $99 list price. One of the most popular and least expensive personal computers of the early Eighties was the $595 Commodore 64."

Actually you are wrong again.
IBM 5100 Portable Computer came out in 1975
and then Apple I came out in 1976

As for only being purchased "iDiots", that's up to you to think, but most mac users I know buy them for work purposes - productivity on macs is higher than on windows-based PCs - having worked extensively on both I have seen this first-hand.

Again you seem to keep assuming things. You assume I'm talking about people who play with it for leisure. These are professionals I'm talking about. Just like you and I but in different fields. They still prefer PCs. One even used Mac for his studio for audio. He now uses PC to use it with his audio equipment.

Yes of course windows would only run under a virtual machine. Who would possibly want that to run natively anyway? A big step-back.

Who would want to run Mac at all? Virtual or otherwise. It's a HUGE step back. In fact you might as well dump a hot coffee on your crotch and hope you never have kids so your off spring won't be just as iDiotic.

No they didn't invent the MP3 format, they've invented the far superior AAC format though. But they are still considered THE pioneer of MP3 technology. Before the iPod, it was a barely used format, with no decent players or software to use. Enter Apple with iTunes and iPod. This, you have to admit, is where Steve Job's genius lies - he saw the potential of the home computer to be the centre of people's lives - organising their music, their photos, their movies etc etc.

Again, so you admit Apple did NOT invent the MP3 format. Good. I didn't say Apple didn't help make it popular. I merely said there was a following, already.

Actually battery life has EVERYTHING to do with it. 3G is a much larger drain on batteries than a simple 2G connection.

Samsung Blackjack one of the first to come out with 3G already had pretty good talk time. Over 6 hours. iPhone had over 8 hours talk time but again, Samsung did come out first and it was already 3G and who the heck talks on the phone 6 hours? or 8? I would expect people to charge their phone when they goto sleep. I guess you you do talk 8 hours when you are busy jogging from your house to your starbucks. (Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf, Peet's Coffee are much better anyway)

For all the mac users I know, it makes their lives a whole heap easier. Mac OSX puts as little barriers as possible between you and your work. Unlike Windows, that throws them up left, right and center.

Keyboard shortcuts are quicker than using a mouse. Watch any graphic designer worth their salt and see how quickly they apply functions using shortcuts. Why would you bother with a second mouse button?

I have the second button turned off on my magic mouse. I have no need for it. If I want a contextual menu, I just hold ctrl down, my hand is always on the left hand side of the keyboard. So you can right.-click all you want, I know I can achieve more, faster with shortcuts.

You didn't say "i", you said Mac:
Why should I bother debating with someone who can't even remember what they said?

PCs don't put limits in fact Mac does. PCs have always been about user control. Allowing the user to make the computer more "personal". Mac on the other hand shoves a crude interface at you (but it's pretty ok fine) and makes the user work around the computer.

I totally agree with you about the keyboard shortcuts being quicker than a mouse. But my dispute was NOT mouse versus keyboard. Even if it was, Windows has alot of keyboard shortcuts as well. Mouse buttons just give users more options.
I owned a type writer when I was young and also learned to program in DOS. I am very much used to the keyboard. If someone stole my mouse I would have no prob navigating around on the computer, still.
Not to boast, but I type 95wpm. I know my keyboard.

I missed the freakin "i" so sue me. .... er... wait no don't sue me I need my money for my weekly Erotic massages. jk

Agreed.

Agreed. Yes, I agree that you agree which I agree also. Since I agree to your agreement which I agree to, I assume you agree also that you and I agree on what I agree with on the topic of your agreement with my statement of previous which we are in agreement.

I studied software engineering at uni. I got my first computer at the age of 5 in 1981, I've used Commodore's, IBMs a variety of windows machines, unix terminals etc. i have used Apple's on a professional basis for the past 14 years, owned many and I have 3 years mac repair and troubleshooting experience. Which is part of the job I'm doing now. I've had more mac experience and spent more time using macs than most. Never once seen a virus. I'm aware that they used to exist back in OS9 days, but OSX is far too secure.

Well, for your personal computer, since you are a tech, I don't doubt you. I am a tech as well and I truly believe it is more often than not the prob with the user. I had clients who had systems repaired by me that ran fine for very long time while some others (prob ones) would only take a second to corrupt their system again but you know how it goes... they click anything that pops up, or do things they shouldn't be doing.

Well then that Mac tech needs to be ashamed of themselves.

He probably should. But still, like I said, I fixed it with a PC. That's a fact.

At the end of the day, Ertragen, if Apple's stuff is so bad, then why, when they bring out a new computer, a new OS, a new phone, a new whatever, does every company on the planet scramble to try and replicate at least some part of it?

PC companies come out with technologies they just suck at advertising and putting the word out and making it popular.
Mac are just faster at making full use of some of the good technologies and marketing it to the world.
It's not PC companies copying Mac, it's just PC companies realizing, "we are sitting on a technology that obviously is good but we aren't doing anything with it"
So you kinda score with that one but it's not all PC companies that do this.
One reason I like Sony is because they don't leave things out.

Since you are a fellow tech (though Mac) I'll still give you a bro-hug. Don't feel too bad you can't convince me. I love PC you love Mac. I started out with QBasic.(programming language) I didn't go that route though. (don't do programming I thought that's what I would be doing when I was young.)

My PC = Ubuntu 9.10, Windows 7 (both native), (everything else in virtual)
One prob I have with people who argue mac vs pc is, the word "windows" always being brought up. I have Linux damn it, what about that?

 

[edgray]

Actually you are wrong again.
IBM 5100 Portable Computer came out in 1975
and then Apple I came out in 1976

We could split hairs about this for ever. The Commodore PET is considered by many to be the first PC. The IBM 5100 was not considered a Personal Computer. The reason Apple are normally credited with driving the PC revolution was that their machines had corporate and home appeal.

Again you seem to keep assuming things. You assume I'm talking about people who play with it for leisure. These are professionals I'm talking about. Just like you and I but in different fields. They still prefer PCs. One even used Mac for his studio for audio. He now uses PC to use it with his audio equipment.

The cheapness of the average PC keeps them the most popular. Whilst the field of print and design was always the stronghold of Apple, non-qualified designers use PCs and Photoshop because they don't know any better. Having designed on both, Macs do it better. Even just down to font rendering, which on Windows has always been appalling.

Who would want to run Mac at all? Virtual or otherwise. It's a HUGE step back. In fact you might as well dump a hot coffee on your crotch and hope you never have kids so your off spring won't be just as iDiotic.

Why would you consider it a step back? You have a Unix base (easily the most powerful OS ever, not to mention the most stable.) and a great, user-friendly and intuitive GUI on top.

Also, seeing as windows has always been a poor copy of the Mac OS, if Mac OS X is a step back, then Windows must be off the back of the chart.

Again, so you admit Apple did NOT invent the MP3 format. Good. I didn't say Apple didn't help make it popular. I merely said there was a following, already.

I know Apple didn't invent MP3 - they pioneered it's use. Before Apple stepped in, no one was even considering MP3s as a threat to CDs.

Samsung Blackjack one of the first to come out with 3G already had pretty good talk time. Over 6 hours. iPhone had over 8 hours talk time but again, Samsung did come out first and it was already 3G and who the heck talks on the phone 6 hours? or 8? I would expect people to charge their phone when they goto sleep. I guess you you do talk 8 hours when you are busy jogging from your house to your starbucks. (Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf, Peet's Coffee are much better anyway)

Well, studies have shown that the reason the iPhone needs to aim for more battery life is that they are simply used more. The web browsing on an iPhone beats everything and just begs to be used, as does the rest. That's why they waited.

PCs don't put limits in fact Mac does. PCs have always been about user control. Allowing the user to make the computer more "personal". Mac on the other hand shoves a crude interface at you (but it's pretty ok fine) and makes the user work around the computer.

Explain what's "crude" about the Mac OS?

Apple intentionally makes their OS as user friendly as possible. There is still the Unix powerhouse underneath for those that wish to delve deeper. And the GUI gives you millions of different ways to work and is as flexible as anyone would need. On Macs you get busy doing, not busy using the OS. That's why they've been favoured so much in productivity jobs like print and design.

I totally agree with you about the keyboard shortcuts being quicker than a mouse. But my dispute was NOT mouse versus keyboard. Even if it was, Windows has alot of keyboard shortcuts as well. Mouse buttons just give users more options.

Mighty mouse had 5 buttons. Magic mouse has 2. The choice is there.

Well, for your personal computer, since you are a tech, I don't doubt you. I am a tech as well and I truly believe it is more often than not the prob with the user. I had clients who had systems repaired by me that ran fine for very long time while some others (prob ones) would only take a second to corrupt their system again but you know how it goes... they click anything that pops up, or do things they shouldn't be doing.

We see less of that kind of thing, mainly hardware or drive failures.

PC companies come out with technologies they just suck at advertising and putting the word out and making it popular.
Mac are just faster at making full use of some of the good technologies and marketing it to the world.
It's not PC companies copying Mac, it's just PC companies realizing, "we are sitting on a technology that obviously is good but we aren't doing anything with it"
So you kinda score with that one but it's not all PC companies that do this.
One reason I like Sony is because they don't leave things out.

Well I'll have to disagree here. Firstly, the whole problem of mac vs windows started when Microsoft ripped off Mac OS. Then copying them at every step, overtaking briefly with XP, falling way behind again and just catching up now with Windows 7.

Then there's design - everytime mac ship a new product, some PC manufacturer comes out with some poor imitation. Remember the bright colors of the first iMacs? That made it everywhere.

Others:
Losing the Floppy drive was headed up by Apple.
MP3 players that were easy to use.
Touchscreen phones (you have to give Apple this one. Before iPhone, there was nothing that resembled anything like it. Now? Dozens and dozens of companies striving for that ease of use, that touchscreen and that user experience. None that I've used even come close.

So, to recap, things Apple pioneered and other's copied:

GUI & the Mouse
All in one units
Laptop computers
Attention to physical design of computers
Simplicity of use
Touchscreen phones
MP3 players that were usable

Since you are a fellow tech (though Mac) I'll still give you a bro-hug. Don't feel too bad you can't convince me. I love PC you love Mac. I started out with QBasic.(programming language) I didn't go that route though. (don't do programming I thought that's what I would be doing when I was young.)

Bro hug accepted! I did some QBasic back at high school, never really liked it too much - I'd been using AMOS on the Commodore Amiga which was a little more powerful and contained tons of really useful graphic and animation libraries and functions... But it was BASIC that got me started, back in the day... haven't done much coding lately though, PHP and HTML is all I get to do these days

My PC = Ubuntu 9.10, Windows 7 (both native), (everything else in virtual)
One prob I have with people who argue mac vs pc is, the word "windows" always being brought up. I have Linux damn it, what about that?

Yeah, Linux is totally underrated. To get the most out of Linux you've really got to be a tweaker and a techie, but it's a great OS... I'm hoping one day, when Microsoft dies, Linux and Mac OS X will merge into a glorious symphony of open source OS goodness... provided Apple play ball...

 

[itsmeJonB]

Mac sucks and the people who use them tend to be douchebags

like this guy:

 

[Ertragen]

We could split hairs about this for ever.

Yep, so let's agree to disagree. and we can agree that you are wrong. Have a nice day.



btw, check out this vid.

this isn't PC vs Mac.
It seems to be more about iPod vs iPad

YouTube - Matt Damon's iPad

 

[sierrabravo]

wow it's civil war out there