In Need of an Enemy?

[edgray]

global deaths by terrorism in 2004

1,907 --- 68 were American.

 

[edgray]

I'll work out the decade average this evening. It's going to shock!

 

[edgray]

I started in the 50s because that's when the US and the UK started fucking up the middle easy, starting with Iran.

 

[Accountable]

Bringing in a straw man doesn't help your argument, even if that argument is that gov't is using straw men.

 

[edgray]

it's a wicker man, actually...

so why not? I could use all manner of comparisons to show how much of a false enemy terrorism is, especially when you look at how much is spent fighting it.

 

[All Else Failed]

you're right, it's an absolutely terrible problem in that it expands the economy, brings in taxes to the govt, supports local businesses, provides cheap labour in fields most aren't willing to work in... yeah, damn those illegal immigrants eh?

I can see why there's such an uproar about it.

except it takes away jobs from Americans, bring sin tons of soft and hard drugs, and supports the Mexican mafia and strengthens MS13.



Plus its just the principle of it all. They are disregarding and disrespecting our national sovereignty.

 

[Minor Axis]

except it takes away jobs from Americans, bring sin tons of soft and hard drugs, and supports the Mexican mafia and strengthens MS13.

Tons of drugs have been imported for as long as I can remember by Americans working with foreign drug sources.

 

[edgray]

except it takes away jobs from Americans, bring sin tons of soft and hard drugs, and supports the Mexican mafia and strengthens MS13.

Plus its just the principle of it all. They are disregarding and disrespecting our national sovereignty.

No it creates more jobs actually as the economy expands and provides cheap labour for american businesses, not to mention the taxes raised through the purchasing of goods. The drugs come into the country irrelevant, Americans consume them as well you know.

There's no principle. All Americans apart from natives are essentially illegal immigrants so you have no right to suddenly start telling people it's wrong. All this is doing is creating an fictitious enemy. Unbelievable that it's being pushed by a major political party, in the UK, for example, our anti-immigration groups are considered a joke by the majority, not to mention racist.

 

[Accountable]

Tons of drugs have been imported for as long as I can remember by Americans working with foreign drug sources.

And so that makes it okay. Got it.

All Americans apart from natives are essentially illegal immigrants

Why would you perpetuate this lie? What law did "all Americans apart from natives" break? Got a statute number? No? Then find a truthful argument. If your opinion holds water you don't need lies to support it.

 

[All Else Failed]

There's no principle. All Americans apart from natives are essentially illegal immigrants so you have no right to suddenly start telling people it's wrong. All this is doing is creating an fictitious enemy. Unbelievable that it's being pushed by a major political party, in the UK, for example, our anti-immigration groups are considered a joke by the majority, not to mention racist.

Um, no. You do not understand sovereignty. Once a country is established, no matter ethical crimes in it's founding, it has laws regarding it's sovereignty as a recognized nation. To cast aside these laws is to become a criminal.



Actually, the UK better get it's shit together soon, or by 2050 most of the continent will be a mini middle east. Same goes for Sweden.

 

[mazHur]

a mini middle east.

the same could also be said of some other places, such as Toronto in Canada??

 

[porterjack]

the same could also be said of some other places, such as Toronto in Canada??

not sure which post you are quoting" mini middle east" from. Surely you are not seriously saying Toronto is a mini middle east are you?

 

[mazHur]

not sure which post you are quoting" mini middle east" from. Surely you are not seriously saying Toronto is a mini middle east are you?

Plz refer to Quote 130 by AEF...

not Toronto but a few parts of it...just as few parts(towns) of UK are full of Immigrants..

 

[porterjack]

Plz refer to Quote 130 by AEF...

not Toronto but a few parts of it...just as few parts(towns) of UK are full of Immigrants..

http://www12.statcan.ca/census-rece...artRec=126&Sort=2&Display=Page&CSDFilter=5000

check the link, 2006 census data - whilst close to 50% of the pop of the GTA is of non euro descent

there is no noticeable pop from the middle east, in fact the % is not even recoded it is so small

Oh and if by middle east ern you really mean Muslims

the 2001 census according to wikipedia lists the number at 6.7%, so even with some growth over the last 9 years i hardly think that is a large number

Have you ever lived in Toronto?

 

[mazHur]

http://www12.statcan.ca/census-rece...artRec=126&Sort=2&Display=Page&CSDFilter=5000

check the link, 2006 census data - whilst close to 50% of the pop of the GTA is of non euro descent

there is no noticeable pop from the middle east, in fact the % is not even recoded it is so small

Oh and if by middle east ern you really mean Muslims

the 2001 census according to wikipedia lists the number at 6.7%, so even with some growth over the last 9 years i hardly think that is a large number

Have you ever lived in Toronto?

I mean Asians...
Canada is asking for more to come there...

No, I have been 2 Montreal only

 

[porterjack]

I mean Asians...
Canada is asking for more to come there...

No, I have been 2 Montreal only

there is quiet the diff between asia and the middle east, anyways I am not certain that we are asking for more, our immigration policy, so far as I know, does not target specific geo regions

 

[mazHur]

there is quiet the diff between asia and the middle east, anyways I am not certain that we are asking for more, our immigration policy, so far as I know, does not target specific geo regions

yes, Asia and ME are different but at the same time both are Asians.

ME is usually referred to areas populated mainly by the Arabs...

I don't know how would you name areas ahead of it and near south east Asia, such as India, Iran, Pakistan,
Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, etc

Canada is granting immigration to all Asians.....for a petty investment of 120000 dollars...Or, for education as well
as work to skilled workers.Almost same is being done by Australia...USA demands higher investment but is ready
to take in more immigrants!!

 

[edgray]

And so that makes it okay. Got it.

Why would you perpetuate this lie? What law did "all Americans apart from natives" break? Got a statute number? No? Then find a truthful argument. If your opinion holds water you don't need lies to support it.

No it doesn't make it ok but it puts it into perspective.

I don't really care what law it did or didn't break, the fact is that the pilgrims were unwelcome immigrants. Laws are symptoms of a society that can't solve problems. The Native Americans didn't have that particular problem as an issue at that point, though I'm sure, with hindsight, they wish they did and I'm sure they'd have made suitable laws to deal with it.

So no, no lies at all I'm afraid. Just an unwanted truth.

Um, no. You do not understand sovereignty. Once a country is established, no matter ethical crimes in it's founding, it has laws regarding it's sovereignty as a recognized nation. To cast aside these laws is to become a criminal.

Actually, the UK better get it's shit together soon, or by 2050 most of the continent will be a mini middle east. Same goes for Sweden.

Wow you really fall for the hype don't you? Yeah, the UK, with it's LESS THAN 5% MUSLIM POPULATION, is well on it's way to becoming a mini middle east.

This is my whole point, you're afraid of something that's not there. Is it racism? Is it ignorance? Is it just fear? I really don't know, but jesus wept, give it up.

 

[Accountable]

There's no principle. All Americans apart from natives are essentially illegal immigrants

The Native Americans didn't have that particular problem as an issue at that point, though I'm sure, with hindsight, they wish they did and I'm sure they'd have made suitable laws to deal with it. [But they didn't, so you weren't telling the truth]

So no, no lies at all I'm afraid. Just an unwanted truth.

:willy_nilly:

Wow you really fall for the hype don't you? :cool
Seems that you're creating the fictitious enemy now.

 

[edgray]

:willy_nilly:

Wow you really fall for the hype don't you? :cool
Seems that you're creating the fictitious enemy now.

um, no.