If You’re Young, This Conservative Thinks You’re Too Stupid To Vote

Twenty is only two years older than 18, I doubt it makes much difference. If you make 20 the voting age, also make that the age that you can join/be drafted into the military and drive.

Honestly, the problem with deciding whether or not people are "mature" enough to vote is that this also brings up the question of whether or not people are "smart" enough to vote. It's entering dangerous territory.
 
Kyle B said:
Twenty is only two years older than 18, I doubt it makes much difference. If you make 20 the voting age, also make that the age that you can join/be drafted into the military and drive.

Honestly, the problem with deciding whether or not people are "mature" enough to vote is that this also brings up the question of whether or not people are "smart" enough to vote. It's entering dangerous territory.
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Why should all of the ages be equal? I don't see why they should be.


of course we should address whether or not most people are even fit to vote or not.



"The brain of an 18-year-old college freshman is still far from resembling the brain of someone in their mid-twenties," says Bennett. "When do we reach adulthood? It might be much later than we traditionally think."
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This. Think of most 18-19 year olds that you know. They're not in reality yet. They probably don't pay taxes. They probably do not have a "real" job yet. Many of them are barred from real-life responsibilities. Why should they be allowed to vote?
 
All Else Failed said:
Why should all of the ages be equal? I don't see why they should be.


of course we should address whether or not most people are even fit to vote or not.






This. Think of most 18-19 year olds that you know. They're not in reality yet. They probably don't pay taxes. They probably do not have a "real" job yet. Many of them are barred from real-life responsibilities. Why should they be allowed to vote?
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It's unfair to make people die for a government that they couldn't even vote for. I would think that if people are mature enough to drink, they are also mature enough to vote, and vice-versa.

Suppose that some study found that people who held Masters degrees and above were more educated on the issues and public affairs, and hence would be better voters. Should we limit the vote to only them?
 
I think it'd be a cool experiment for a town to have a set of categories of decisions, and set a different voting age for each. The more grave the decisions would be reserved for, say, mid-20s and up, but the less grave the decision, the lower the age of eligibility to vote on it.

Start with, say, 13. Allow everyone 13 and up to vote on simple matters such as declaring holidays or who to give the key to the city to, stuff like that. As they get older, they have an opportunity to have more say, more influence on how the town is run.

It would teach kids in real terms the importance of citizenship, and show them that their decisions have a real impact on the community.
 
It's unfair to make people die for a government that they couldn't even vote for. I would think that if people are mature enough to drink, they are also mature enough to vote, and vice-versa.

Suppose that some study found that people who held Masters degrees and above were more educated on the issues and public affairs, and hence would be better voters. Should we limit the vote to only them?
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Voting is really just a symbolic gesture now a days, really.

Even if it wasn't, I'm not concerned with "fairness". There are different ages for different things. While at 18 you're able to go off to fight in a war, you're still probably not experienced enough to even be informed on who to vote for, not to mention your cognitive processes at 18 are not formed fully until you are in your mid-twenties.


and to your second question, would that be so bad? Plus I am against democracy. I'd be more in favor of an enlightened monarchy. Democracy has become a laughingstock.
 
All Else Failed said:
Voting is really just a symbolic gesture now a days, really.

Even if it wasn't, I'm not concerned with "fairness". There are different ages for different things. While at 18 you're able to go off to fight in a war, you're still probably not experienced enough to even be informed on who to vote for, not to mention your cognitive processes at 18 are not formed fully until you are in your mid-twenties.


and to your second question, would that be so bad? Plus I am against democracy. I'd be more in favor of an enlightened monarchy. Democracy has become a laughingstock.
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Given that you're against democracy and in favor of an enlightened monarchy, whereas I am not, we're viewing this issue through different perspectives to begin with.

I'm not going to say America is a democracy, because it isn't. But, voting is the small piece of input that the average people have. Even if we vote in idiots who are controlled by corporations etc.

I think that if we're going to set separate ages for when one can be drafted and one can vote, than the age of suffrage should be after, or at the same time as the age one can be drafted. Therefore, you're given some responsibility along with rights at the same time. If someone wants to voluntarily join the army before they get suffrage, let them.
 
Accountable said:
We don't practice democracy. Never have. That was a dem propaganda ploy started with Woodrow Wilson that everybody started believing.
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So why the U.S. is not a representative Democracy? What counts is the way the system is designed. Corruption does not count because it is something that exists outside of the acknowledged system. Unless you'd say our founding fathers, designed the system to allow for corruption to exist? And yes it must be minimized.
 
Minor Axis said:
So why the U.S. is not a representative Democracy? What counts is the way the system is designed. Corruption does not count because it is something that exists outside of the acknowledged system. Unless you'd say our founding fathers, designed the system to allow for corruption to exist? And yes it must be minimized.
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We are a Republic for reasons well known

And for good reason

Here is a good read for ya Minor

It won't change your outlook as you are an avowed socialist but still might give you insight.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

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Minor Axis said:
So why the U.S. is not a representative Democracy?
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Because it wasn't designed that way.
Minor Axis said:
What counts is the way the system is designed.
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I know what that ought to mean, but based on the leading question, what do you mean by it?

Minor Axis said:
Corruption does not count because it is something that exists outside of the acknowledged system. Unless you'd say our founding fathers, designed the system to allow for corruption to exist? And yes it must be minimized.
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Not sure what the connection is to my post.
 
Alien Allen said:
We are a Republic for reasons well known

And for good reason
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The monied interests have a damned good reason. How else could the oligarchs recreate an Aristocracy? And how else could corporations be declared people?

Truth won't change your outlook since you've avowed to rim job the rich while giving them a reach-around since you are a confirmed conservobot incapable of independent thought outside FOX News.
 
Johnfromokc said:
The monied interests have a damned good reason. How else could the oligarchs recreate an Aristocracy? And how else could corporations be declared people?

Truth won't change your outlook since you've avowed to rim job the rich while giving them a reach-around since you are a confirmed conservobot incapable of independent thought outside FOX News.
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Johnfromokc said:
Conservobot logic at work:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/06/01/y/



Interesting. Here's a comment after the article that differes with this right wing asshat:



And another:



So - what say ye conservobots? Agree or disagree?

More proof that one must be something of a moron to be of the working and small business class and vote Republican.
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What do you propose john...lowering it some more?
Whats the big deal here...an individual thinks 18 is to young to vote...O wait he happens to be a conservative.
 
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