If God had a father, would He be ashamed of his Son?

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Wow, just wow.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Science is a method, hello everyone Stop being dumb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

 

[edgray]

Science is a method, hello everyone Stop being dumb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

hahaha great minds think alike!

Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world.[1][2][3][4] An older meaning still in use today is that of Aristotle, for whom scientific knowledge was a body of reliable knowledge that can be logically and rationally explained (see "History and etymology" section below).[5]

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

The only time a scientist can speculate is when they are thinking of ideas for an experiment/study, interpretations of experimental results. Scientists observe, measure, explain, predict, control, interpret, report findings, write reports on their studies, peer review other studies, observe ethics, evaluate procedures and methodology, replicate things, ensure extraneous variables do not play in their research, CONDUCTING studies, organisational skills, good communication skills in order to communicate with participants properly.
So, what is science again?
They have brains beyond you and I, perhaps you should try and read this, if you're so smart

I don't know about you but they did more than speculate in this experiment.

http://pubman.mpdl.mpg.de/pubman/item/escidoc:64431:8/component/escidoc:69896/Tyler_tcJASA09.pdf

 

[pjbleek]

God has a father....oye...what did he do? just prepared the oversight committee for what his son was to do? just stop yer speculating on something that has not been done. this post reminds me of something along the lines of....."If I didn't do X, Y wouldn't have happened"

 

[Greatest I am]

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

I guess it depends on "who" really thinks pride is a sin....God, or the people who "wrote" the Bible.
I personally see no sin in being proud.

Good. If we took no pleasure in our accomplishments, we would likely accomplish less.
There is a huge difference in my mind between being proud and being a braggardt.
It is possible that the Bible meant braggart yet the church never amended the word.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I think the point is not about how these things got there, but the fact that GIA is saying 'everything was perfect at first' when that obviously wasn't the case for quite a long time before we came along.

Short sighted. Change even the slightest condition that brought us here and we disappear.

The complaint is that we were born from an explosion yet without that explosion, we are not.

Regards
DL

 

[HK]

Short sighted. Change even the slightest condition that brought us here and we disappear.

The complaint is that we were born from an explosion yet without that explosion, we are not.

So?

That doesn't change the fact that we know the universe was not orderly and perfect before the human race came along. Your entire thread appears to be based on the idea that everything was peachy until human beings evolved, and if a creator did indeed create us then would his dad be proud of how things turned out. Well, the scenario is flawed fro the start because it says the universe was a peaceful and calm place before the human race, and that's not true.

 

[Greatest I am]

So?

That doesn't change the fact that we know the universe was not orderly and perfect before the human race came along. Your entire thread appears to be based on the idea that everything was peachy until human beings evolved, and if a creator did indeed create us then would his dad be proud of how things turned out. Well, the scenario is flawed fro the start because it says the universe was a peaceful and calm place before the human race, and that's not true.

Eh. No.

Most people see imperfection. I see imperfections within a perfectly evolving system and would not change the process.
It is theists who would change the process and that is why most of them, if honest, will say that God is not proud of what is here and now. They, like you are too short sighted.

I think somewhat like the following.

Candide

"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPClzIsYxvA

Regards
DL

 

[Peter Parka]

It's a hard question to answer. Of course most fathers would be ashamed of a son who committed world wide genocide, killing innocent babies ect but then if god did have a father, he might be just as evil as his son.

 

[HK]

Eh. No.

Most people see imperfection. I see imperfections within a perfectly evolving system and would not change the process.
It is theists who would change the process and that is why most of them, if honest, will say that God is not proud of what is here and now. They, like you are too short sighted.

You know there's no need to make personal remarks. I'm not insulting you, I just want to discuss the topic, so stop calling me short-sighted. It's rude.

I personally think there's no point trying to speculate what God does or doesn't think about our planet, if he exists - he's obviously not prone to making his thoughts known if he is out there, and as I've said, I don't think humanity is advanced enough to comprehend him even if he is there.

 

[Greatest I am]

It's a hard question to answer. Of course most fathers would be ashamed of a son who committed world wide genocide, killing innocent babies ect but then if god did have a father, he might be just as evil as his son.

Yes. Like father like son is a good bet but as I said about the sacrifice, the son may never have a chance to grow up. How the Grandfather did or the Father for that matter will have to remain a mystery unless God has sons to waste.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

You know there's no need to make personal remarks. I'm not insulting you, I just want to discuss the topic, so stop calling me short-sighted. It's rude.

I personally think there's no point trying to speculate what God does or doesn't think about our planet, if he exists - he's obviously not prone to making his thoughts known if he is out there, and as I've said, I don't think humanity is advanced enough to comprehend him even if he is there.

Then we should not kowtow to what we do not understand.
Ants do not bow to lions.

Saying you are short sighted is stating a fact. If that fact insults you then change your view.
If you do not believe it then ignore it.

Think evolution.
It works because it creates more errors/ imperfections than perfections. If it stoped creating imperfection in replication then it would stall and we would all go extinct. Errors then are part of a perfect system.

See what I mean? Now apply that to all you see and you will no longer be short sighted.

Regards
DL