Hr 3200

[Accountable]

America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.


Text of HR 3200

My question: Which part of the US Constitution allows for the federal government to provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans?

 

[ssl]

America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.


Text of HR 3200

My question: Which part of the US Constitution allows for the federal government to provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans?

Which part of the US Constitution does not allow for the federal government to provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans?

 

[Accountable]

Which part of the US Constitution does not allow for the federal government to provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans?

Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

 

[MoonOwl]

It's already been shredded against us. Might as well shred it for something that actually benefits us

*runs to the bar*

 

[Meirionnydd]

This is the preamble to the Constitution...

'We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.'

So like, providing quality, affordable healthcare for Americans could be considered as 'promoting the general welfare' of the people?

Just saying.

 

[dt3]

This is the preamble to the Constitution...

'We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.'

So like, providing quality, affordable healthcare for Americans could be considered as 'promoting the general welfare' of the people?

Just saying.

Yes, it could. But it does not say that the Federal Government is the only one allowed to promote the general welfare, does it?

Our Constitution is set up to ensure that the majority of the power resides with the States. It's been shit on for at least the last 140 or so years, and quite frankly I think people are finally getting pissed enough about it to do something.

 

[MoonOwl]

....... and quite frankly I think people are finally getting pissed enough about it to do something.

Our Declaration of Independence gives us that right:


"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"


Why do you think our government is working so hard to take the above right away from us? It's called Cover Their Sold-Out, Corrupt Asses! Make anyone who disagrees w/the sold-out status quo a 'potential terrorist'.

Since September 11th, that has been so much easier for them as everyone cows before their rulings against us so we can be kept 'safe'. pppffftttt......

Ok, I've :horse enough for today. I'm only allowed One political post. Drs orders

 

[Accountable]

This is the preamble to the Constitution...

'We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.'

So like, providing quality, affordable healthcare for Americans could be considered as 'promoting the general welfare' of the people?

Just saying.

The Preamble is nothing more than an introduction - a statement of purpose. It states why we ordain and establish the Constitution, not what the responsibilities are.

In the USA, our constitution is set up to limit the federal government. If it's not permitted by the Constitution, it is deemed unconstitutional and therefore illegal.

 

[ssl]

Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Specifically not delegated, or just not assigned?

The clause "nor prohibited by it to the States" just does not make any fucking sense.

Translation?

And for fucks sake:

"Are reserved to the States, OR to the people"

:wtf:

The States get choice over the people? That means the people NEVER get power, because if the Federal Government does not take the power, the States will gobble up what is left. Which, it seems, the people were screwed from the first moment these words were etched onto that ancient piece of paper.

:thumbdown

 

[ssl]

Our Declaration of Independence gives us that right:


"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"


Why do you think our government is working so hard to take the above right away from us? It's called Cover Their Sold-Out, Corrupt Asses! Make anyone who disagrees w/the sold-out status quo a 'potential terrorist'.

Since September 11th, that has been so much easier for them as everyone cows before their rulings against us so we can be kept 'safe'. pppffftttt......

Ok, I've :horse enough for today. I'm only allowed One political post. Drs orders

To be honest, the Declaration of Independence is not technically law; more or less it is an argument supporting separation of the colonies from Great Britian to allow them to set up their own government.

 

[ssl]

The Preamble is nothing more than an introduction - a statement of purpose. It states why we ordain and establish the Constitution, not what the responsibilities are.

In the USA, our constitution is set up to limit the federal government. If it's not permitted by the Constitution, it is deemed unconstitutional and therefore illegal.

I have a difficultly understanding your statement.

An entity with power will not limit said power.

 

[dt3]

Specifically not delegated, or just not assigned?

The clause "nor prohibited by it to the States" just does not make any fucking sense.

Translation?

And for fucks sake:

"Are reserved to the States, OR to the people"

:wtf:

The States get choice over the people? That means the people NEVER get power, because if the Federal Government does not take the power, the States will gobble up what is left. Which, it seems, the people were screwed from the first moment these words were etched onto that ancient piece of paper.

:thumbdown

"Not prohibited to it by the States" is just a wordy way of saying that States can't do anything the Constitution says they can't do, most of which is in Article 4. For example, no state may be a dictatorship: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government".

 

[ssl]

"Not prohibited to it by the States" is just a wordy way of saying that States can't do anything the Constitution says they can't do, most of which is in Article 4. For example, no state may be a dictatorship: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government".

That is, if said State chooses to be of the United States.



More importantly:

So, I am still confused: What powers does the Constitution say each level of government has?

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I thought LBJ started a program in 1965 that was supposed to FIX all of our health care....Anyone know history?




It was Medicaid

 

[dt3]

That is, if said State chooses to be of the United States.



More importantly:

So, I am still confused: What powers does the Constitution say each level of government has?

Well I'm not gonna sit here and explain the whole Constitution to you

Article One is the powers of the Legislative Branch
Article Two is the powers of the Executive Branch
Article Three is the powers of the Judicial Branch
Article Four is the powers of the States
Article Five is the process for adding amendments
Article Six is the basis for all Federal laws
Article Seven is the process for ratifying the Constitution

If any of those sound like interesting reading, look it up

 

[ssl]

Well I'm not gonna sit here and explain the whole Constitution to you

Article One is the powers of the Legislative Branch
Article Two is the powers of the Executive Branch
Article Three is the powers of the Judicial Branch
Article Four is the powers of the States
Article Five is the process for adding amendments
Article Six is the basis for all Federal laws
Article Seven is the process for ratifying the Constitution

If any of those sound like interesting reading, look it up

Ok.

And the powers of the people are where?

 

[dt3]

Ok.

And the powers of the people are where?

Every place where elections are mentioned, as well as the Amendments that apply to personal rights and freedoms :dunno

 

[ssl]

Every place where elections are mentioned, as well as the Amendments that apply to personal rights and freedoms :dunno

rights, freedoms and elections do not equate to power.

no go, try again?

 

[dt3]

rights, freedoms and elections do not equate to power.

no go, try again?

:24: So having the ability to completely remove every single elected politician in a 2-6 year time frame isn't power?

 

[ssl]

:24: So having the ability to completely remove every single elected politician in a 2-6 year time frame isn't power?

No. that's worse than FEMA. :thumbdown