How women are building a shameless society

He had a column on World Net Daily. He is a regular on Sean Hannity's Fox News talk show. He's frequently referred to as a "Fox News analyst" but that may be an incorrect title though he has appeared on Fox News numerous times. He has a radio show http://www.bondaction.org/content/radioshowhome

Hehehe. The Ladies on The View featured this video
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Accountable said:
Okay. Outside of the church, in a land where more than half of all marriages end in divorce and having children outside of wedlock is no big deal, what is the significance of paying for a piece of paper that says you're married?
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Symbolism and ceremony are incredibly powerful and give meaning to our lives. They act as focal points in our lives and as markers to settle our lives around. Read Reverence by Paul Woodruff, he makes excellent points on how our society is failing because we have abandoned ceremony and ritual wholesale.

That said, marriage is not for everyone. What marriage means has been perverted down to bridezilla and materialism. Less focus is on the actual meaning and more on how many flower arrangements there are and how big the ring is.
 
All Else Failed said:
Symbolism and ceremony are incredibly powerful and give meaning to our lives. They act as focal points in our lives and as markers to settle our lives around. Read Reverence by Paul Woodruff, he makes excellent points on how our society is failing because we have abandoned ceremony and ritual wholesale.

That said, marriage is not for everyone. What marriage means has been perverted down to bridezilla and materialism. Less focus is on the actual meaning and more on how many flower arrangements there are and how big the ring is.
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Hm, in this case I think it could be argued ceremony and ritual have not been abandoned wholesale, but you're not in favor of what the ritual is. Quite a lot of fuss is made about the ceremonies and rituals of marriage, yet they fail because it's superficial. Clearly that aspect alone is not enough to sustain a marriage. It takes that meaning you're identifying and it takes a strength and commitment completely unrelated to a wedding ceremony.
 
Quite a lot of fuss is made about the ceremonies and rituals of marriage, yet they fail because it's superficial.
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Ceremonies are only superficial if you make them that way.

Clearly that aspect alone is not enough to sustain a marriage. It takes that meaning you're identifying and it takes a strength and commitment completely unrelated to a wedding ceremony.
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The wedding ceremony adds to the strength of commitment through making the people realize (hopefully) that they are uniting in something bigger than themselves. When married, it is not just about the husband or wife anymore, in my opinion. It is about family building now. Ritual and ceremony unite us with the greater whole.


Ceremony and ritual are only seen as superficial now because our culture is a rotting pile of trash.
 
All Else Failed said:
Ceremonies are only superficial if you make them that way.



The wedding ceremony adds to the strength of commitment through making the people realize (hopefully) that they are uniting in something bigger than themselves. When married, it is not just about the husband or wife anymore, in my opinion. It is about family building now. Ritual and ceremony unite us with the greater whole.


Ceremony and ritual are only seen as superficial now because our culture is a rotting pile of trash.
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I think the undeniable reality is that ceremonies and rituals aren't important enough to be a necessary condition for a healthy marriage, only a sufficient condition. Some truly just don't feel compelled to have a wedding ceremony or make their relationship a spectacle/event for others to witness. Doesn't mean they won't work. Some really want a wedding, and that's great. Doesn't mean they're sure to work. At the end of the day it's two people. All of those wedding attendees are gone, they don't have to put in the work day in and day out to foster a marriage.

I don't think the way to solve any culture crisis is to uniformly drive people back to old traditions that don't work for everyone, but maybe to help people find more meaning in the individual things that do work.
 
I don't think the way to solve any culture crisis is to uniformly drive people back to old traditions that don't work for everyone,
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Nah for the most part that is exactly what we need. Not everyone would be forced into anything, but we need to foster a culture that wants to go back to traditions that work. Modernity is an absolute disaster.
 
All Else Failed said:
Symbolism and ceremony are incredibly powerful and give meaning to our lives. They act as focal points in our lives and as markers to settle our lives around. Read Reverence by Paul Woodruff, he makes excellent points on how our society is failing because we have abandoned ceremony and ritual wholesale.
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Absolutely! I agree 100%. No disagreement whatsoever. And it can be done without one dime going to city hall. It's the church, convention hall, or Vegas chapel that provides the symbolism and ceremony, not city hall. City hall provides a certificate. Anybody can print up a pretty certificate.

All Else Failed said:
That said, marriage is not for everyone. What marriage means has been perverted down to bridezilla and materialism. Less focus is on the actual meaning and more on how many flower arrangements there are and how big the ring is.
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Yes. Marriage has indeed lost it's former luster and importance. It has become meaningless in a societal sense. For those for whom marriage is still important, it will remain important whether or not there is a civil license. For them, marriage is a holy thing, not a civil thing. For everyone else, ...........
 
Accountable said:
The civil union called marriage should go. It's meaningless as an instrument of commitment, and couples can be committed without paying a fee to city hall.
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Depending on the state, you don't have to pay a fee, get a license or much of anything else.

Common law marriage...

Here in PA

Pennsylvania: A common-law marriage was established if a man and woman exchanged words that indicated that they intended to be married at the present time and they also held themselves out to the community as married (introducing eachother as husband and wife, filing joint taxes, etc.).

That's all it takes in PA. I know Texas has common law marriage as well, but you need to go to the county clerk and sign a paper plus other things...
 
Tim said:
Depending on the state, you don't have to pay a fee, get a license or much of anything else.

Common law marriage...

Here in PA

Pennsylvania: A common-law marriage was established if a man and woman exchanged words that indicated that they intended to be married at the present time and they also held themselves out to the community as married (introducing eachother as husband and wife, filing joint taxes, etc.).

That's all it takes in PA. I know Texas has common law marriage as well, but you need to go to the county clerk and sign a paper plus other things...
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No processing fee?
I think most if not all states recognize some kind of common law marriage. The IRS doesn't require proof, do they? It's all more support that it should go the way of the requirement to have a guy walk ahead of your car with a lantern to warn people on horses or in buggies.
 
Accountable said:
No processing fee?
I think most if not all states recognize some kind of common law marriage. The IRS doesn't require proof, do they? It's all more support that it should go the way of the requirement to have a guy walk ahead of your car with a lantern to warn people on horses or in buggies.
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No processing fee.

Actually it looks like only 16 states had common law marriage... it was actually abolished here in PA in 2005

And no, the IRS didn't require proof as long as it was in a state where it was legal
 
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