House bans funds for teaching abortion techniques

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Published: Wednesday, May. 25, 2011 / Updated: Wednesday, May. 25, 2011 04:09 PM

House bans funds for teaching abortion techniques

By JIM ABRAMS - Associated Press

WASHINGTON --
The House voted Wednesday to ban teaching health centers from using federal money to train doctors on how to perform abortions, the latest in a series of anti-abortion measures pushed by the Republican majority.
The author of the measure, Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., said she wanted to make it "crystal clear that taxpayer money is not being used to train health care providers to perform abortion procedures."
The proposal was presented as an amendment to the latest of several GOP bills to restrict funding for the health care act that was enacted last year. This bill gives Congress control over spending for a program to encourage health centers to provide training to medical residents. The amendment applies to funding in that grant program.

The Foxx amendment passed 234-182 despite the objections of some Democrats that it would prevent health centers from teaching a basic medical technique that can be critical to saving a woman's life during emergencies.
"This amendment would jeopardize both education and women's health care by obliterating funding for a necessary full range of medical training by health care professionals," said Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colo.
The Foxx amendment and the overall bill to restrict the health care act both are likely to die in the Democratic-controlled Senate. (bolding mine)
Since coming to power in January, the Republican majority in the House has acted to write permanently into law the ban on federal funds to perform abortions, to make it easier for hospitals to refuse abortion cases and to make it more expensive for small businesses to choose insurance plans under the health care act that provide abortion coverage. The House unsuccessfully tried to cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood as part of the battle over this year's budget.
"If organizations want to provide elective abortions or train abortion doctors they need to find someone other than taxpayers to write the checks," Foxx said.
Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, said Foxx's amendment was an unprecedented restriction on medical training. "Regardless of how one feels about legal abortion, reasonable lawmakers can agree that doctors should be as well-trained as possible to deal with any medical situation that may arise," she said.
The amendment also states that no funds available under the grant program can be used to perform abortions and that teaching health centers will not be eligible for funds if they discriminate against providers that deny abortion services.
Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the anti-abortion group National Right to Life, said the anti-discrimination provision was important because "the Obama administration has severely weakened enforcement of existing laws."
He said conscience protections get a better reception in the Senate and that, even if the Senate does not act, it was important for the House to push its anti-abortion agenda. "It usually takes more than one Congress to accomplish worthwhile legislative goals," Johnson said. "It is necessary often to build up momentum over several Congresses."

http://www.fortmilltimes.com/2011/05/25/1571549/house-bans-funds-for-teaching.html

IMO, this is way over the line of rationality and maybe legality.
 
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It's technically a violation of the Hyde Amendment... and it's not banning teaching abortion techniques, it's banning the use of federal funding to teach them. Big difference.
 

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"...........it would prevent health centers from teaching a basic medical technique that can be critical to saving a woman's life during emergencies........"

that bit worries me

so some health care providers will not be fully trained on how to carry out a legal medical procedure

i sense some serious problesm with that, i dont think govts shoudl be able to pick and choose which training they provide - if the procedure is legal it should be funded
 

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One thing though Retro, despite the fact it's just banning funding, in essence it makes it nearly impossible for the training to be done. These representatives know the government funding is their best chance at keeping things running, and that's why they look to cut it.
 

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One thing though Retro, despite the fact it's just banning funding, in essence it makes it nearly impossible for the training to be done. These representatives know the government funding is their best chance at keeping things running, and that's why they look to cut it.

How does it prevent training across the board? There are plenty of private medical schools or residency programs that don't take federal grant money. There are also secondary education classes that physicians can choose to attend where they are taught treatments and procedures that they're not experienced in.
 

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How does it prevent training across the board? There are plenty of private medical schools or residency programs that don't take federal grant money. There are also secondary education classes that physicians can choose to attend where they are taught treatments and procedures that they're not experienced in.

I would guess a lot of physicians going to private medical schools will not be working in areas that need to perform abortions, so it's moot, and the secondary education classes may not provide sufficient training, putting people at risk. It won't eliminate training across the board, but this bill is an obvious attempt to tie back the hands of the women's health care movement.
 

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I honestly have to disagree. Secondary education classes are where physicians learn plenty of new techniques. Because you don't learn everything in med school or residency, not by a long shot. It also doesn't affect state funded residencies, as the Hyde Amendment only covers federal money. My dad is the director of the new family practice residency at our local hospital that will begin accepting residents in another two years, they don't take any federal money, just state. In fact, in my area, I think there are only 1-2 fully public residency programs that are funded in part by federal grants... at least by my understanding.

The root is the issue is the Hyde Amendment. If that is repealed, then the rest of this argument is completely moot. But, using federal funds to teach abortion techniques is technically in violation of the Hyde Amendment. While I don't necessarily agree with it, that is the law of the land as it stands right now.
 

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That all being said, I don't think this should even be a federal issue in the first place. Abortion should be a purely states rights issue and have nothing to do with the federal government. States should have their own laws about whether or not abortion is or isn't legal.

But I'm a hardcore libertarian and firm believer in states rights, and limitation of the federal government.
 

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I honestly have to disagree. Secondary education classes are where physicians learn plenty of new techniques. Because you don't learn everything in med school or residency, not by a long shot. It also doesn't affect state funded residencies, as the Hyde Amendment only covers federal money. My dad is the director of the new family practice residency at our local hospital that will begin accepting residents in another two years, they don't take any federal money, just state. In fact, in my area, I think there are only 1-2 fully public residency programs that are funded in part by federal grants... at least by my understanding.

The root is the issue is the Hyde Amendment. If that is repealed, then the rest of this argument is completely moot. But, using federal funds to teach abortion techniques is technically in violation of the Hyde Amendment. While I don't necessarily agree with it, that is the law of the land as it stands right now.

The Hyde Amendment prohibits fund for abortion, not for training. That's the reason for this rider.

None of the funds appropriated under this Act shall be expended
for any abortion except when it is made known to the federal
entity or official to which funds are appropriated under this Act
that such procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother or
that the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest.

Federal funds can still be used for abortion in the case of rape or incest... So why shouldn't doctors have this training?
 
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