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TheOriginalJames

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In the eyes of the state, marriage is a legal institution.

So tell me, how am I wrong? All I've seen you do is tell me I'm wrong but you haven't given me any concrete proof on why I am supposedly wrong.
 
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Marriage dates back several thousand years, emerging as a civil arrangement at the same time as the emergence of private property. Far from fulfilling any religious purpose to unite one man and one woman, anthropologists theorize that most primitive marriages were polygamous. Marriages were entered into in order to expand the land or material goods base of a clan, either through the receipt of a dowry or the merger of two clans' assets. Religious guidelines around marriage are not thought to have developed until the practice was several hundred years old, and were first used as a means of preventing different religious groups from losing wealthy followers by restricting them from marrying into other religions.

In Western Europe, it was not until the Middle Ages that marriage in churches began to occur. However, church marriages were not the norm until the 17th century, and then only for the nobility. Marriage was also used as a tool to unite different royal families' bloodlines, creating alliances that were instrumental in enabling the European monarchies to colonize the globe.

As you can see, marriage was not started to unite a man and a woman in "holy matrimony" It was to expand lands and wealth. The damn church didn't take it as their own until the 17th century. Thus it wasn't based on morality like the church would have you believe. The church just wants another control on it's people and another reason to look down on those not like themselves. Self rightous bastards......
 

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Marriage is a sacrament givent to Human kind By God. It is in the Hebrew language version of the Bible Old testament (Tora) thus authentic in my opinion.
Also Jesus talks about the sacrament of marriage in the New testament.

Interstingly enough there are several writings about Homosexaulity in the Bible. But Because some hebrew words can mean general terms alot of Conservative Bible theologins as well as more liberal ones can argue that there were some accepted forms of same sex relationships. Also there is a chapter in the Book of Ruth that talks about two women marrying each other. The Hebrew word Clave or Clive means to join together or meet to become as one.

I also read that there is mention of beastiality. Somewhere in the bible an Angel had sexual relations with a someone ( dont have any idea where that might be written).

Plus ther is mention of Children being slaves for men. One excerpt has Jesus talking to a man that is asking jesus to heal his Boy slave. But like I said the literal translations of ancient languages can be interperated different ways.
 

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Hmmm so you are telling me ppl get married because the state likes them to do that... the statement In the eyes of the state, marriage is a legal institution.
well in my eyes i got the biggest dick in teh world but that dont make it any more true

i just want you to admit that marriage is a religious instiution and it is wrong for gays to marry....

let gay folk have their finacial perks so they will stfu but for them to get married or in any way be accepted by teh gov. or a church as one is wrong... Only reason they would have to want to get married toher then the finacial perks is they wanna use another back door.... they wanna feel accepted by teh gov and or church as a couple... i cannot really say this the way i want to without coming off like a complete bigot sooo... 2000si would you like me to be extremely blunt on the subject?


as for me saying you are wrong yea you are wrong but everybody is entitled to their own twisted opinions... and well really i jsut figured it would insure a responce from you
 

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So, on another note, Elton John and his partner of 12 years are now officially engaged since Britain lifted it's veil on gay civil partnerships.

Go Elton.
 

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Re: RE: homosexuals.

RecklessTim said:
Marriage dates back several thousand years, emerging as a civil arrangement at the same time as the emergence of private property. Far from fulfilling any religious purpose to unite one man and one woman, anthropologists theorize that most primitive marriages were polygamous. Marriages were entered into in order to expand the land or material goods base of a clan, either through the receipt of a dowry or the merger of two clans' assets. Religious guidelines around marriage are not thought to have developed until the practice was several hundred years old, and were first used as a means of preventing different religious groups from losing wealthy followers by restricting them from marrying into other religions.

In Western Europe, it was not until the Middle Ages that marriage in churches began to occur. However, church marriages were not the norm until the 17th century, and then only for the nobility. Marriage was also used as a tool to unite different royal families' bloodlines, creating alliances that were instrumental in enabling the European monarchies to colonize the globe.

As you can see, marriage was not started to unite a man and a woman in "holy matrimony" It was to expand lands and wealth. The damn church didn't take it as their own until the 17th century. Thus it wasn't based on morality like the church would have you believe. The church just wants another control on it's people and another reason to look down on those not like themselves. Self rightous bastards......


Blah, blah, blah

You know way too much useless information.
 

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i dunno when time comes. just wait a while, maybe i will die in a car accident. or choke to death on some guys penis. i dunno. btw i'm not an idiot. i got a 3.5 and i'm going to a nice college.
 

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KaB said:
Hmmm so you are telling me ppl get married because the state likes them to do that... the statement In the eyes of the state, marriage is a legal institution.
well in my eyes i got the biggest dick in teh world but that dont make it any more true

No... your assumption as to what you think I meant is wrong.

The state could care less if you're going to get married or not. But if you are, you cannot be legally joined without the paperwork and proper licenses.

i just want you to admit that marriage is a religious instiution and it is wrong for gays to marry....

I'm not going to believe that, because it is not in my opinion that the state or federal government should have any right in telling people who they can and cannot marry.

let gay folk have their finacial perks so they will stfu but for them to get married or in any way be accepted by teh gov. or a church as one is wrong... Only reason they would have to want to get married toher then the finacial perks is they wanna use another back door.... they wanna feel accepted by teh gov and or church as a couple... i cannot really say this the way i want to without coming off like a complete bigot sooo...

IMO you've already come off as a biggot, but as you say... opinions are opinions. I don't care if you hate gays or their lifestyle. But the fact of the matter is, a guy marrying a guy is no different than a guy marrying a woman.

2000si would you like me to be extremely blunt on the subject?


as for me saying you are wrong yea you are wrong but everybody is entitled to their own twisted opinions... and well really i jsut figured it would insure a responce from you

I'm only wrong according to your opinion, but your biggotry isn't the law, and has nothing to do with the fact that religion only plays a roll in marriages between two religious people seeking to be joined.

Fact of the matter is, you still need a license to be married. Fact of the matter is, not everyone is religious. Fact of the matter is, neither my or your opinion is wrong. Fact is, my opinion is just more right and not hateful or biased.
 

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SI's correct. you need a marriage licence for it to be legal. the church only plays apart in it for people that want it to take place in a church. getting married is just not a church thing cause like he said earlier thats why you can get married at city hall. you dont even need a ceremony. you just need to sign the licence's and other paper work and boom your legally married.
 

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well... i dont hate gays i hate their lifestyle which would be why i dont live it.. they can live as they see fit my whole arguement was on marriage is a religious institution and teh state SHOULD not haev say over their right to get married... really a pointless arguement neither of us is directly effected by this arguement so ima drop my end of it.... ah well i can be more convincing on other subjects.
 

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Hurt911gen said:
i dunno when time comes. just wait a while, maybe i will die in a car accident. or choke to death on some guys penis. i dunno. btw i'm not an idiot. i got a 3.5 and i'm going to a nice college.

yea no i thought they were just givin u a hard time cuz u cared too much about teh clothes you wear... but now i see you are a cocky homo-wannabe... More to come better things to do for now feel free to flame me :fu
 

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KaB said:
Hurt911gen said:
i dunno when time comes. just wait a while, maybe i will die in a car accident. or choke to death on some guys penis. i dunno. btw i'm not an idiot. i got a 3.5 and i'm going to a nice college.

yea no i thought they were just givin u a hard time cuz u cared too much about teh clothes you wear... but now i see you are a cocky homo-wannabe... More to come better things to do for now feel free to flame me :fu

haha hurt's gettin told by the n00bs now. :rofl
 
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