Historians see Bush as worst President ever

[Carthage]

HAHAHAHA


Carthage, thank you. That made my night. :24:





525 Reasons to Dump Bush

What was funny about it?

 

[dt3]

I don't think any real historian can say right now one way or another. I wonder what historians thought the day Lincoln imprisoned everyone in the Maryland legislature who was talking about seceeding and held them without trials? You can't look at a situation objectively as it's happening.

 

[All Else Failed]

What was funny about it?

Its funny because you're such a Kool-aid drinking republican.

 

[All Else Failed]

I don't think any real historian can say right now one way or another. I wonder what historians thought the day Lincoln imprisoned everyone in the Maryland legislature who was talking about seceeding and held them without trials? You can't look at a situation objectively as it's happening.

Lincoln NEEDED to do that to hold the country together that was literally being torn apart. I don't like the idea, but extreme situations...


Bush is just an all around failure at many things.

 

[dt3]

Lincoln NEEDED to do that to hold the country together that was literally being torn apart.

That's fine, but you're missing the point. At the time, that was considered a terrible deed and unconstitutional. But, in hindsight/retrospect we can look back objectively and say the ends justified the means in this case. I don't think you can do that while the "history" is still in the present. History takes decades to judge.

 

[Carthage]

Its funny because you're such a Kool-aid drinking republican.

OHHHHHH YEEAAHH!!!!!!:cool

 

[Pudding Time]

That's fine, but you're missing the point. At the time, that was considered a terrible deed and unconstitutional. But, in hindsight/retrospect we can look back objectively and say the ends justified the means in this case. I don't think you can do that while the "history" is still in the present. History takes decades to judge.

Ok. What is it then, that you think Bush did that could possibly be justified in the end?

 

[Carthage]

Ok. What is it then, that you think Bush did that could possibly be justified in the end?

*Promotion of big business
*Tax cuts
*Invasion of Iraq
*Beginning of the global war on terror
*Seeking to decrease social programs
*He denies and delays govt action toward the environment
*Guantanamo

:usa:

I won't say that he's perfect, but he's a really good president all around.

 

[NicAuf]

*Promotion of big business
*Tax cuts
*Invasion of Iraq
*Beginning of the global war on terror
*Seeking to decrease social programs
*He denies and delays govt action toward the environment
*Guantanamo

:usa:

I won't say that he's perfect, but he's a really good president all around.

LOL!!! :24::24:

 

[Carthage]

LOL!!! :24::24:

Kidding, I don't really mean it.

 

[Pudding Time]

*Promotion of big business - Big business didn't need his help, yet they got it anyway. hmmmmmm wonder why?
*Tax cuts - Tax cuts aren't always a good thing
*Invasion of Iraq - Should be tried and jailed for this.
*Beginning of the global war on terror - Will go down in history as a moron for coming up with the idea that you can declare war on terrorism.
*Seeking to decrease social programs - Yeah and the people just LOVE him for this...
*He denies and delays govt action toward the environment - Yeah protecting the environment is BAAAAAD!! And I just love the hazy sunsets. So pretty!
*Guantanamo - He should be tried and jailed for this.

 

[All Else Failed]

*Promotion of big business
*Tax cuts
*Invasion of Iraq
*Beginning of the global war on terror
*Seeking to decrease social programs
*He denies and delays govt action toward the environment
*Guantanamo

:usa:

I won't say that he's perfect, but he's a really good president all around.

*He gave the majority of tax cuts to the more wealthy and corproations

*The invasion of Iraq was unnecessary and planned incredibly bad.

* You can never stop terrorism, and trying to do so only strengthens them

* There is nothing wrong with social programs, as long as they are directed towards people who really need them. But what would a rich, over unprivileged white man know about struggle anyways?

*Um, how is that a good thing?

*John McCain once interviewed a top leader of Al-Queda, and ask this question: "What two things made it possible to recruit thousands upon thousands of young men to your cause?", he replied "Guantanamo, and civilian casualties."

 

[Carthage]

*Promotion of big business - Big business didn't need his help, yet they got it anyway. hmmmmmm wonder why?

Because they are a discriminated minority and the populace would rape them. They aren't being fueled by the government, they are being protected.

*Tax cuts - Tax cuts aren't always a good thing

Like...when?

*Invasion of Iraq - Should be tried and jailed for this.

It was a nessesary step in the Global War on Terror, in which we localized a struggle and fight to the best of our ability, to hinder religious extremists and terrorists that would destroy our noble country.

*Beginning of the global war on terror - Will go down in history as a moron for coming up with the idea that you can declare war on terrorism.

They massacred 3000 people on 9/11!!! When the British massacred the Bostonians, that was the beginning of the Revolution (not the Revolutionary War, but it was a part of the begginning of that). They were attacking us and had a powerful base in the middle east that had to be destroyed to preserve reason, rationality, democracy, and capitalism.

*Seeking to decrease social programs - Yeah and the people just LOVE him for this...

What the people say isn't always right. Social Programs aren't often good things, they're usually just bloated programs that help those that don't need it or shouldn't have it.

*He denies and delays govt action toward the environment - Yeah protecting the environment is BAAAAAD!! And I just love the hazy sunsets. So pretty!

The Environment is overrated. And even if it was bad, the Government has no right to step in on it. The purpose of the government is to protect rights - and a beutiful sunset is not a right.

*Guantanamo - He should be tried and jailed for this.

These animals are terrorists that need to be imprisoned. And this place is so serious I am sure that the government would not haphazardly send suspects just randomly to it. The people there are almost definitely always terrorists, and as such, they have abandoned their humanity, and deserve no human rights. And as we need to get information...well...

*He gave the majority of tax cuts to the more wealthy and corproations

That's not true. It was an across the board tax cut.

*The invasion of Iraq was unnecessary and planned incredibly bad.

Unplanned - maybe. Nessesary - compleatly. We needed to stop every nation that was harboring and supporting terrorists, and after Afghanistan was secured, we moved onto Iraq. We just got a little stuck in Iraq, which is why we haven't moved on.

* You can never stop terrorism, and trying to do so only strengthens them

I disagree. Maybe not ALL terrorism, but most terrorism in this area can be stopped by a mixture of pro-democracy feeling and massive American force.

* There is nothing wrong with social programs, as long as they are directed towards people who really need them. But what would a rich, over unprivileged white man know about struggle anyways?

Bush struggles every day against an idiot populace. But besides the point - very few people are actually in need of social programs. Those that are are physically unable to work, and even then, charity is a much better means then a government program.

*Um, how is that a good thing?

The environment is overrated, and even if it wasn't, the government has no right to step in on it.

*John McCain once interviewed a top leader of Al-Queda, and ask this question: "What two things made it possible to recruit thousands upon thousands of young men to your cause?", he replied "Guantanamo, and civilian casualties."

That's complete bogus. The reason they convert is the reason my old school was crowded with radical leftists- because they struggle through life, and when someone comes along preaching that you're going to go to heaven if you kill yourself, and give up nothing." Guantanamo was not a major cause at all. If anything, it scares the living $*%* out of them. Read some of the reports by the AMERICAN soldiers.

 

[All Else Failed]

Because they are a discriminated minority and the populace would rape them. They aren't being fueled by the government, they are being protected.



Like...when?


It was a nessesary step in the Global War on Terror, in which we localized a struggle and fight to the best of our ability, to hinder religious extremists and terrorists that would destroy our noble country.


They massacred 3000 people on 9/11!!! When the British massacred the Bostonians, that was the beginning of the Revolution (not the Revolutionary War, but it was a part of the begginning of that). They were attacking us and had a powerful base in the middle east that had to be destroyed to preserve reason, rationality, democracy, and capitalism.



What the people say isn't always right. Social Programs aren't often good things, they're usually just bloated programs that help those that don't need it or shouldn't have it.



The Environment is overrated. And even if it was bad, the Government has no right to step in on it. The purpose of the government is to protect rights - and a beutiful sunset is not a right.



These animals are terrorists that need to be imprisoned. And this place is so serious I am sure that the government would not haphazardly send suspects just randomly to it. The people there are almost definitely always terrorists, and as such, they have abandoned their humanity, and deserve no human rights. And as we need to get information...well...


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That's not true. It was an across the board tax cut.[/color]

Unplanned - maybe. Nessesary - compleatly. We needed to stop every nation that was harboring and supporting terrorists, and after Afghanistan was secured, we moved onto Iraq. We just got a little stuck in Iraq, which is why we haven't moved on.


I disagree. Maybe not ALL terrorism, but most terrorism in this area can be stopped by a mixture of pro-democracy feeling and massive American force.



Bush struggles every day against an idiot populace. But besides the point - very few people are actually in need of social programs. Those that are are physically unable to work, and even then, charity is a much better means then a government program.



The environment is overrated, and even if it wasn't, the government has no right to step in on it.



That's complete bogus. The reason they convert is the reason my old school was crowded with radical leftists- because they struggle through life, and when someone comes along preaching that you're going to go to heaven if you kill yourself, and give up nothing." Guantanamo was not a major cause at all. If anything, it scares the living $*%* out of them. Read some of the reports by the AMERICAN soldiers.

Stop every nation that harbors and funds terrorism, huh? Then you should be AGAINST America. We still fund and help terrorists. We've done a ton of it in the past as well. Hell, we basically gave Bin-Laden his start. The CIA is basically a massive terrorist organization.


blah blah blah the rest I disagree on and I'll get nowhere with you. Especially the environment thing....thats such a crazy point of view.

 

[Carthage]

Stop every nation that harbors and funds terrorism, huh? Then you should be AGAINST America. We still fund and help terrorists. We've done a ton of it in the past as well. Hell, we basically gave Bin-Laden his start. The CIA is basically a massive terrorist organization.

We may help and harbor terrorists, but it's ONLY in a enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Whichever one is less likely to kill more people, in a massive world wide conflict, then we may be forced to help them. But I do agree that often times, the CIA gets a little too out of hand.

blah blah blah the rest I disagree on and I'll get nowhere with you. Especially the environment thing....thats such a crazy point of view.

blah blah blah I disagree with your disagreement on my disagreement, and we're both a couple of brick walls. Especially with the economy thing - that's such a terrible point of view.

 

[All Else Failed]

We may help and harbor terrorists, but it's ONLY in a enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Whichever one is less likely to kill more people, in a massive world wide conflict, then we may be forced to help them. But I do agree that often times, the CIA gets a little too out of hand.




blah blah blah I disagree with your disagreement on my disagreement, and we're both a couple of brick walls. Especially with the economy thing - that's such a terrible point of view.

lmao so you're ok with terrorism as long as its pointed in the other direction. Hypocrite. You should be for fighting all terrorism, since terrorism is incredibly despicable. Actually, lets not even talk about groups we support. How about Dropping the atomic bombs on innocent, non-military targets in WW2?


No see my economic POV's are nothing compared to your environmental POV, which is basically suicidal.

 

[FreeWorkVest]

Carthage. Iraq had NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with terrorism or the world trade center. If President Bush honestly wanted to protect the US from terrorism, he would have secured Afghanistan. Instead, he left it a mess, and reneged on promised he PERSONALLY made to Ahmed Karzai of money and aid.

Osama bin Laden, and therefore the Taliban, believed Saddam Hussein to be the greatest threat to Islam in the world. When the first President Bush attacked Iraq, bin laden offered the Taliban as troops. Bush declined, and because of that, gained the enmity of bin Laden.

 

[All Else Failed]

Its no secret that the Bush & Co. family, and the republican party in general, have had Iraq in their sights for a very long time for resource and logistical needs and wants. Iraq is basically one giant spring board into the middle east to secure resources.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Originally Posted by All Else Failed
blah blah blah the rest I disagree on and I'll get nowhere with you. Especially the environment thing....thats such a crazy point of view.

blah blah blah I disagree with your disagreement on my disagreement, and we're both a couple of brick walls. Especially with the economy thing - that's such a terrible point of view.

LOL. Yous guys are the bestest.
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