Hell

[icecuban]

i think, that if he is there, like above posts, he wouldnt send u there, it just doesnt fit in the elegant equation. i think though, that a non-believer, if all of a sudden just happened into heaven (which might happen every "day") id have to say they would be happy to be there, and not be like, aaah, just leave me alone. i bet theyd be like, freakn sweet!, this is a much better idea then nothing

 

[Reaver]

sure, thats a great idea, but what we're saying is that a good number of churches and sects tell you that if you don't believe you'll go to hell or you won't be allowed in to heaven. just a point we're trying to make, since no one actually knows who goes where for what.

 

[All Else Failed]

i think, that if he is there, like above posts, he wouldnt send u there, it just doesnt fit in the elegant equation. i think though, that a non-believer, if all of a sudden just happened into heaven (which might happen every "day") id have to say they would be happy to be there, and not be like, aaah, just leave me alone. i bet theyd be like, freakn sweet!, this is a much better idea then nothing

I don't see why its such a bad idea to want nothing after we die. Why do so many people WANT stuff? If you ask me, a lot of people are in it for the prize at the end of the race, not the race itself.

 

[Reaver]

All about that payoff, baby! Although, I have met a few people who were in it for the "race".

 

[icecuban]

screw what the church says, they offer a little box to repent to the priest, when all you need is a concious heart and a place to think (which is anywhere, anytime). does that make sense? believe not what u hear, but what u feel. would god really create something to banish it forever, sounds kinda dumb, and not compassionate as they say. i sometimes feel non-believers make better christians because they think before they act. in the bible, Paul, who was a great thinker, was first a lawer who persecuted christians. but he grew to know better, better then any who praised from the womb. i say this, "forget what the church says and listen to us! we are the true believers because our church is where our feet go"

 

[icecuban]

I don't see why its such a bad idea to want nothing after we die. Why do so many people WANT stuff? If you ask me, a lot of people are in it for the prize at the end of the race, not the race itself.

sad but true, they do good for all the bad reasons. but what im saying is, its not a wanting thing, but a gift thing. u didnt ask to live, but it sure is nice. thats how i picture it, i wish it more for those who dont believe in it then those who do, its like i want to give a present to someone when its not their birthday, unexpected and greatly appreciated

 

[All Else Failed]

Here is the video I was talking about:
Interview With The Devil

I'm glad that someone knows exactly what the supreme source of hatred and darkness thinks to himself and made a java presentation about it. :smiley24:

 

[All Else Failed]

sad but true, they do good for all the bad reasons. but what im saying is, its not a wanting thing, but a gift thing. u didnt ask to live, but it sure is nice. thats how i picture it, i wish it more for those who dont believe in it then those who do, its like i want to give a present to someone when its not their birthday, unexpected and greatly appreciated

I wouldn't want to go to heaven in the first place.

 

[dt3]

I'm glad that someone knows exactly what the supreme source of hatred and darkness thinks to himself and made a java presentation about it. :smiley24:

Dude, did you not watch? They interviewed him! They can't make that stuff up just to suit their own purposes!

 

[All Else Failed]

Dude, did you not watch? They interviewed him! They can't make that stuff up just to suit their own purposes!

Oh silly me, how moronic to judge too quickly!



But really, I think they send a bad message in that vid. "I am the source of all evil, I make you do bad things, I am the reason for the evils you do..." Um, doesn't that just take the blame off the person who actually committed the act, and make it easier for them to say "It wasn't my fault I shot those people, its Satan!" ?

 

[dt3]

Oh silly me, how moronic to judge too quickly!



But really, I think they send a bad message in that vid. "I am the source of all evil, I make you do bad things, I am the reason for the evils you do..." Um, doesn't that just take the blame off the person who actually committed the act, and make it easier for them to say "It wasn't my fault I shot those people, its Satan!" ?

I had that same thought halfway through the video, then I forgot to post it... But seriously. Why can't religious people take responsibility for what they do.

That's what religion seems like to me. A giant crutch for avoiding responsibility. Sorry if that offends any of you, but it's how I feel.

 

[All Else Failed]

I had that same thought halfway through the video, then I forgot to post it... But seriously. Why can't religious people take responsibility for what they do.

That's what religion seems like to me. A giant crutch for avoiding responsibility. Sorry if that offends any of you, but it's how I feel.

Same here.

 

[dt3]

I mean, let's say Mother Teresa or someone like her never prayed. Everything else she did was the same. But she didn't do it for god, she did it to be a good person. That would send her to hell for eternity??? I don't want a god that'll do that.

 

[All Else Failed]

To quote one of my favorite philosophers: "There are no real Christians today, there was only one real Christian and he died on the cross."

 

[GraceAbounds]

I had that same thought halfway through the video, then I forgot to post it... But seriously. Why can't religious people take responsibility for what they do.

That's what religion seems like to me. A giant crutch for avoiding responsibility. Sorry if that offends any of you, but it's how I feel.

If that is the point you got from that video, then I must apologize for posting something that you don't understand. That is not the point at all and it not what it is meant to imply. Just like the video says, you are giving Satan way too much credit.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

If that is the point you got from that video, then I must apologize for posting something that you don't understand. That is not the point at all and it not what it is meant to imply. Just like the video says, you are giving Satan way too much credit.

Wow, and you called my first post to you rude. Indirectly insulting Donnie seems fairly rude to me.

But hey, I don't even believe in satan, however you cannot simply answer my question.

God punishes you by sending you somewhere so you can continue doing evil deeds that the Devil enjoys.

The devil is the reason why we know we're naked without clothing. The devil gives us the temptations we partake in.

Right? I mean that's a Christian point of view. But hey God loves us, except when we use the freewill he apparently gave us.

 

[All Else Failed]

You know, if god and Satan are real, who says that Satan is really who the bible or god says he is? Perhaps he is just a deity that just takes the humans side instead of bowing to god?

 

[Boomer]

You know, if god and Satan are real, who says that Satan is really who the bible or god says he is? Perhaps he is just a deity that just takes the humans side instead of bowing to god?

Thats a good point. :humm:

 

[dt3]

If that is the point you got from that video, then I must apologize for posting something that you don't understand. That is not the point at all and it not what it is meant to imply. Just like the video says, you are giving Satan way too much credit.

Then we must be watching a different video. The one I saw had Satan taking credit for people who smoke, drink, have sex, get in arguments, fight with their "neighbor" and start wars. I must've missed something.

And, it's not like they actually interviewed Satan. The whole conversation was one person's view of Satan, who's to say it's right? Man is fallible, right? So who's to say the maker of this extremely boring video isn't wrong? That's another problem with religion, agreeing with whatever you believe without question.

Believe it or not, I can recall on at least 3 occasions in Iraq when I KNEW there must be a god watching over my sorry ass. When I found out Amber was pregnant, I thought seriously about going to church again, and maybe raising our kid to be religious.

But then it's people like you that make me sick when it comes to religion. Religious people are so damn judgmental, stuck-up and blinded to reality that I have no desire for my kid to be like that.

I'm sure god loves you for driving a person further away from religion.

 

[icecuban]

To quote one of my favorite philosophers: "There are no real Christians today, there was only one real Christian and he died on the cross."

again, i cant find this quote to be anything but the truth, which makes frederick and yourself, in a sense, a believer. its first saying that christ was who he was because he saw what no one else was doing as a follower. its like he said "that guy existed to the highest christ ideal, and no one else". to even say jesus was anything, esspecially christ, then you are giving credence. he may have hated christianity, but he seemed to know who christ was....strange to me