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I don't even get the scandal spin. Nobody gets to that level without some narcissism. It requires a bit of feeling of entitlement, so it stands to reason that he would believe that a man deserving of that much power is also deserving of an extra woman or two. It happened. How does activity in secret disqualify him from being the head of a spy organization??



eta: OH! That he got caught.

I'm traveling and not up on all the details, but my understanding that people in the CIA, due to access to classified material, are held to stricter standards regarding their privacy. Most interesting and suspicious are GOP gyrations to turn this into an Obama Administration scandal. You know, latch onto anything to give you a political advantage. It's classic GOP tactics ala Clinton.
 
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I'm traveling and not up on all the details, but my understanding that people in the CIA, due to access to classified material, are held to stricter standards regarding their privacy. Most interesting and suspicious are GOP gyrations to turn this into an Obama Administration scandal. You know, latch onto anything to give you a political advantage. It's classic GOP tactics ala Clinton.
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and the dems have NEEEVER been guilty of such a thing, huh, partisan?
 

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what does this say though for the vetting of Petraus to be head of CIA?

Like it or not it is ripe for conjecture and does feed the conspiracy crowd.
 

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What does it say to you? I'd have to know a hell of a lot more to judge.

You mean the GOP leadership? ;)
Geeze you are so biased you can not even see a reasonable question.

I know people that have been up for jobs at the local police department and their background checks appear to have been better than in this case.

This was not a recent fling was it? If not you would think that the most secretive department in govt would do a thorough background check and this would never have been missed.

As to the conspiracy crowd you need to again step back and look at this without those blinders. Lots of people have questions. Not just the friggin morons in the republican party
 

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You know, latch onto anything to give you a political advantage. It's classic GOP tactics ala Clinton.
Actually for Clinton, it was twice- Whitewater and Monika... I'll leave it to you to dig up something on Dems. I can't think of anything on the GOP scale.
It was your deacon Rahm who admonished to never let a crisis "go to waste". What is that, if not "latch[ing] onto anything to give you a political advantage"?

Get your weak last word in, partisan. Will you admit the fact with a 'yeh but' or will you take the apologist tack and try to spin?
 

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It may not of been missed.

Could be

If so then the CIA and FBI need to be disbanded and thrown in the crap heap.

Or they do know this kind of stuff and use it to their advantage when the time arises.

Only a fool would think all those traits Hoover thrived on ended with his death
 

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Could be

If so then the CIA and FBI need to be disbanded and thrown in the crap heap.

Or they do know this kind of stuff and use it to their advantage when the time arises.

Only a fool would think all those traits Hoover thrived on ended with his death

Only a fool would think that crap like this doesn't happen with any government, anywhere in the world.

In no way am I condoning what happened, but I realize men do think with their dicks, be it a minimum wage worker at Walmart or the head of the CIA. You would think however that the head of the CIA would of put himself in a position where the FBI wouldn't of found out about it (and let's face it, the FBI is an interesting orgainization itself lol).

I hold Petraeus to the same standard as I hold Clinton (not that it matters what I think). What I find so ironic is there are those who are quick to bash Clinton (for getting a blow job in the White House, like myself) but those same people for some reason have a more understanding attitude when it comes to Patraeus.

I do believe Patraeus did the honerable thing by stepping down (which Clinton had no clue how to do). I also sincerely hope that the man can put his family life back together after his mistake.

Thing is, good chance the circus is coming to town and it's going to stay awhile.
 

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you missed my point Joe

It was not that Patraeus had an affair or that he got caught

It was that they did not find this out before letting him be head of the CIA
 

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you missed my point Joe

It was not that Patraeus had an affair or that he got caught

It was that they did not find this out before letting him be head of the CIA

No, didn't miss that point.

There is a chance the affair didn't start until after he started his new position.

There is also the possibility that some concearns may of been raised about a possible affair, but for whatever reason, it didn't stop him from getting the job.
 

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No, didn't miss that point.

There is a chance the affair didn't start until after he started his new position.

There is also the possibility that some concearns may of been raised about a possible affair, but for whatever reason, it didn't stop him from getting the job.

which would speak volumes IMO

having an affair is way too easy to blackmail somebody about. Maybe not Petraus but until one is blackmailed one never knows how that person would respond.
 

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which would speak volumes IMO

having an affair is way too easy to blackmail somebody about. Maybe not Petraus but until one is blackmailed one never knows how that person would respond.

If you honestly believe that the worlds governments and their agencies (partiuclarly "spy" agencies) are run by people who have strong moral convictions who put good over evil or other interests over thier own agencies interests, I can't help but wonder what fantasy world you live in.

I have absolutely no doubt that ones political affiliation has no bearing on ones moral compass or common sense.
 

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If you honestly believe that the worlds governments and their agencies (partiuclarly "spy" agencies) are run by people who have strong moral convictions who put good over evil or other interests over thier own agencies interests, I can't help but wonder what fantasy world you live in.

I have absolutely no doubt that ones political affiliation has no bearing on ones moral compass or common sense.


Where have I made this a point about morals?

My point has been and continues to be that the CIA is super secret and they did a piss poor job of vetting Petraus.

I don't expect the CIA to be morally pure. But I would expect when they are vetting a candidate to be their head that if he was having an affair that they would catch him at it. So that they do not have somebody in charge who could be easily subjected to blackmail.

I say this under the assumption that the affair started before he became head of the CIA. It would be a different matter if it started after he became the head of the CIA
 

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I say this under the assumption that the affair started before he became head of the CIA. It would be a different matter if it started after he became the head of the CIA

And by all accounts, the affair started AFTER he was sworn into his new position.

I'm also guessing you haven't come to the realization that when some people commit suicide, it really wasn't a suicide, but no one will ever know what really went down.
 

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And by all accounts, the affair started AFTER he was sworn into his new position.

I'm also guessing you haven't come to the realization that when some people commit suicide, it really wasn't a suicide, but no one will ever know what really went down
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whatever

you have a one track mind

by the way my sister inlaw committed suicide years ago. so I am familiar with that scenario. not a very good choice for an analogy.
 

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whatever

you have a one track mind

by the way my sister inlaw committed suicide years ago. so I am familiar with that scenario. not a very good choice for an analogy.

I'm the one with a one track mind? lol

Sorry about your sister in law, but I wasn't using suicide as an anology, but pointing out that if done correctly by those who want someone gone, a very nice way to tidy up lose ends.
 

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Back on topic

Who knew what and when ??

Don't kill the messenger

This story is not going away when even CNN has to cover it.

Which they did well I might add from the little I saw on Piers Morgan. The former deputy directors comments were interesting. As were some others I have heard tonite on different shows
 
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