God cannot love or be Love.

[Greatest I am]

God cannot love or be Love.
Proverbs 3:12
For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
If God would have loved Adam and Eve, he would have corrected them. He would not have punished them for becoming as Gods. Punishment without correction is evil and just done for cruelties sake. By immorally withholding eternal life, he could be described as a murderer.
We know from scriptures that ha-adam, Jewish for society, was never given full disclosure by any of the Gods. Indeed, the snake gave more of the facts than God did. God’s first sin perhaps. One of omission.

To Adam’s sin being passed down.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Strange that God ignores this good advice and have Jesus bear his iniquity. Again, no ability to love is shown.
Would you do that to your child?
Would that be acting in a loving way?

Psalm 49:7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
What does a God need with setting and receiving a ransom called Jesus?
We could phrase the question to suggest that only an insane God would give humankind such a poor example.
If Christianity chooses to embrace human sacrifice, then they clearly show their immorality.
A theology that says that it is good to punish the innocent and allow the guilty to walk is immoral and un-ethical. Not a loving thing to do at all.
If Adam and Eve should have been corrected and not punished, and they are archetypes of all of us, then God cannot love us either or he would be correcting our behavior.
God did not exhibit love in punishing all of his systems instead of correcting them in Eden.
Love is as love does. ---- Faith without works is dead. James. ---- Love is expressed by works and deeds.
Love without its expression in works and deeds is dead.

God is not doing love and thus cannot love or be Love.
Only ha-adam, humankind, can know love. We cry. God cannot.
Poor loser is not human enough to share human emotion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP7SPJllNoc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL695C60AF4D91B50A
Regards
DL

 

[doombug]

Well GIA you have done it again. Taking scripture out of context and reading what you want into it. OK, human love and God's love is not the same. GIA wants to redefine what the bible says but he is wrong as usual.

God is Love: How does God Define Love? The Bible tells us that "God is Love" (1 John 4:8). But how can we even begin to understand that truth? There are many passages in the Bible that give us God's definition of love. The most well known verse is John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." So one way God defines love is in the act of giving. However, what God gave (or should we say, "who" God gave) was not a mere gift-wrapped present; God sacrificed His only Son so that we, who put our faith in His Son, will not spend eternity separated from Him. This is an amazing love, because we are the ones who choose to reject God, yet it's God who mends the separation through His intense personal sacrifice, and all we have to do is accept His gift.

Another great verse about God's love is found in Romans 5:8, "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." In this verse and in John 3:16, we find no conditions placed on God's love for us. God doesn't say, "as soon as you clean up your act, I'll love you; " nor does He say, "I'll sacrifice my Son if you promise to love Me." In fact, in Romans 5:8, we find just the opposite. God wants us to know that His love is unconditional, so He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die for us while we were still unlovable sinners. We didn't have to get clean, and we didn't have to make any promises to God before we could experience His love. His love for us has always existed, and because of that, He did all the giving and sacrificing long before we were even aware that we needed His love.

God is Love: It's Unconditional God is Love, and His love is very different from human love. God's love is unconditional, and it's not based on feelings or emotions. He doesn't love us because we're lovable or because we make Him feel good; He loves us because He is love. He created us to have a loving relationship with Him, and He sacrificed His own Son (who also willingly died for us) to restore that relationship.

 

[Peter Parka]

I don't see how anyone who commits worldwide genocide can be held up as an example of love

 

[doombug]

I don't see how anyone who commits worldwide genocide can be held up as an example of love

And who commits worldwide genocide. Give examples if you can.

 

[Greatest I am]

Well GIA you have done it again. Taking scripture out of context and reading what you want into it. OK, human love and God's love is not the same. GIA wants to redefine what the bible says but he is wrong as usual.

God is Love: How does God Define Love? The Bible tells us that "God is Love" (1 John 4:8). But how can we even begin to understand that truth? There are many passages in the Bible that give us God's definition of love. The most well known verse is John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." So one way God defines love is in the act of giving. However, what God gave (or should we say, "who" God gave) was not a mere gift-wrapped present; God sacrificed His only Son so that we, who put our faith in His Son, will not spend eternity separated from Him. This is an amazing love, because we are the ones who choose to reject God, yet it's God who mends the separation through His intense personal sacrifice, and all we have to do is accept His gift.

Another great verse about God's love is found in Romans 5:8, "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." In this verse and in John 3:16, we find no conditions placed on God's love for us. God doesn't say, "as soon as you clean up your act, I'll love you; " nor does He say, "I'll sacrifice my Son if you promise to love Me." In fact, in Romans 5:8, we find just the opposite. God wants us to know that His love is unconditional, so He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die for us while we were still unlovable sinners. We didn't have to get clean, and we didn't have to make any promises to God before we could experience His love. His love for us has always existed, and because of that, He did all the giving and sacrificing long before we were even aware that we needed His love.

God is Love: It's Unconditional God is Love, and His love is very different from human love. God's love is unconditional, and it's not based on feelings or emotions. He doesn't love us because we're lovable or because we make Him feel good; He loves us because He is love. He created us to have a loving relationship with Him, and He sacrificed His own Son (who also willingly died for us) to restore that relationship.

So an act of love, to you, is to have your son murdered when there was no need to do so.
Ok. Weird.

As to unconditional love.
God's love is full of conditions. If we do not return his love, then we are to burn forever.
That is a condition and a piss poor show of unconditional love..

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

And who commits worldwide genocide. Give examples if you can.

 

[Peter Parka]

And who commits worldwide genocide. Give examples if you can.

the god of the bible. I'd have thought that someone who spouts on about god and the bible as much as you would be familiar with the flood story in it by now?

 

[doombug]

So an act of love, to you, is to have your son murdered when there was no need to do so.
Ok. Weird.

As to unconditional love.
God's love is full of conditions. If we do not return his love, then we are to burn forever.
That is a condition and a piss poor show of unconditional love..

Regards
DL

Jesus was sent to die for the sins of mankind. That's the ulltimate sacrifice by man's standards.

Humans choose to love God or not. It is love by free will. Who wants to be loved by a puppet? God wants to be loved by humans choosing to love him. Those who don't well....too bad for them. They made a foolish choice.

 

[doombug]

the god of the bible. I'd have thought that someone who spouts on about god and the bible as much as you would be familiar with the flood story in it by now?

Just wondering if you knew. It is hard to tell what some people consider genocide.

 

[Peter Parka]

God wants to be loved by humans choosing to love him.

Is that why he threatens them with burning forever in hell if they don't love him? Doesn't sound like much of a choise to me and other rational human beings.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Weren't they sinners?

 

[doombug]

Is that why he threatens them with burning forever in hell if they don't love him? Doesn't sound like much of a choise to me and other rational human beings.

Where does He threaten them with burning in hell forever?

 

[Peter Parka]

Just wondering if you knew. It is hard to tell what some people consider genocide.

I don't go into biblical discussions without at least a basic knowledge of the bible, unlike some here. Do you not consider killing the entire population of the word minus half a dozen or so people, including babies, as genocide?

 

[doombug]

the god of the bible. I'd have thought that someone who spouts on about god and the bible as much as you would be familiar with the flood story in it by now?

God isn't a human being so I don't see how He commits murder.

 

[Peter Parka]

Where does He threaten them with burning in hell forever?

I take it you're not a catholic then. Good for you on that point, at least.:thumbup

 

[doombug]

I don't go into biblical discussions without at least a basic knowledge of the bible, unlike some here. Do you not consider killing the entire population of the word minus half a dozen or so people, including babies, as genocide?

God is considered by Christians as the Almighty creator of the universe. I don't see what He did as being murder.

 

[doombug]

I take it you're not a catholic then. Good for you on that point, at least.:thumbup

No, I just have never read anywhere in the bible that says what you claim.

 

[Peter Parka]

God isn't a human being so I don't see how He commits murder.

Then you have absolutely no right to even debate in this discussion because by your own admission, god dosen't have to live up to a set of standards that you are familiar with so you have absolutely no clue whether he is good or bad.

 

[retro]

For someone that doesn't believe in God, you certainly do seem to be obsessed with Him.

 

[Peter Parka]

God is considered by Christians as the Almighty creator of the universe. I don't see what He did as being murder.

Then you would have no problem if someone turned up at your house tonight and massacred your entire family. There is no point carrying on this discussion with you because you have no morals, no sense of telling right from wrong and I personally hope that as soon as possible you are locked away for the rest of your life as a safeguard from innocent people who can tell right from wrong.