Sorry to admit but living by faith/standard based on fear of punishment may be the only way to keep some from doing wrong/evil.. Horribly some people fail to live by a moral standard based on the "right thing" because they have abandoned their morals and conscience.. These are bad times where humans even fail to be humane, while disgusting as it may be, it's the world we live in..There are two ways to go here. If getting people to be "good" and feel better is the primary consideration, then this reasoning is valid. However if the intent is to see and understand the truth, then it could be pushing a morality based on fantasy. Based on what I know, which is little, it is better to live by a moral standard of doing the "right thing" versus a standard based on fear of punishment from an imagined authority, which is what faith is.
God being Omnipotent is impossible.
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Peter Parka
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Is that what happened in the crusades? How about nearer in time, people flying airoplanes into big towers, killing thousands of innocent people, for example?
It's been happening since the olden times and still remains to occur.. What I'm saying is that the idea of God being Omnipotent is necessary to deter crime/evilness.. Yes some fail to even acknowledge his existence or to feel fear for him or the idea of him, but if he had not been instilled into so many you could only imagine how much worse things could be..
Peter Parka
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Not really. I dont believe in him because I see no proof. I also haven't seen any proof that a society that believes in god is significantly better than a society that doesn't. Then again, I've never seen that wordwide genocide of men, women and children, even babies is a good thing like what is taught in the Bible regarding Noah and the flood. I've also never seen it as a good thing to allow death and torture to settle a bet, not over money but just to prove an egotistical point (Job) as a good thing either.
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I respect that you do not believe in God.. But I'm just acknowledging that his "existence" makes a difference.. I have read the bible from cover to cover.. Even while it has been a very long time I do recall much of the occurrences and not all of them were kind.. But then again does a father not test his children?.. I have to stick to my opinion that the idea of his existence could not do more harm to humanity than we do to ourselves as it is..
Peter Parka
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My father has never settled a bet to prove an egotistical point by willingly allowing me to be struck with a painful disease or killing my children. You? Would you thing your father is awesome if he did that?
I don't know what it's like to have a father.. Mine died while I was an infant..
Peter Parka
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I'm sorry to hear about your father.
I'm sure you probably have at least a vague idea of what does and dosent make a good father though.
Me personally, good - shows love, teaches me good morals, work ethic, provides for me, teaches me how to treat people nicely ect...
Bad - a father who deliberately allows me to be stuck down with a very painful disease and allows my children to be killed to settle an egocentric bet.
You?
I assume that a father would show tough love, and teach lessons.. advise but allow room to learn even if the child falls, scrapes knees, or breaks a bone..
I understand that God viewed as a father does not show the best example at times but he also did alot of kind things as well as the not so kind.. I thought it was tough love from my view point..
Peter Parka
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If you believe that a father putting you in harms way and killing your children is in someway good or/ and that other good things can make up for that and make him omnipotent, you are one seriously warped individual. I sincerely hope you dont treat your own children in this way or better still, child protection rescues them before you do!
Omg.. I would never.. My kid is a spoiled, sheltered, and a happy child.. I don't harm her in any way.. I believe that over all God is good.. But it takes his strength to see that, I'm sure he hurt for his child also.. But I personally could not be that strong.. I hurt when she even cries or is sad.. I'm SuperMommy I didn't say I was like God in any way..
Peter Parka
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Sounds like a bit of a contradiction to me. I cannot seriously believe that you wouldn't harm your children because you arn't as good as someone else. I personally think that you wouldn't harm your child because you are a good mother and know full well that doing so would be very wrong.:thumbup
Harm will cross her path at some point out of my control, but God is the one who has to cause the harm and he aide.. How would you handle that position?.. I'm just saying that I could not be so strong to bear watching the pain or causing any harm..Sounds like a bit of a contradiction to me. I cannot seriously believe that you wouldn't harm your children because you arn't as good as someone else. I personally think that you wouldn't harm your child because you are a good mother and know full well that doing so would be very wrong.:thumbup
Peter Parka
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Fair enough, if that's what you believe. I just cant believe that you would believe that someone like that exists and actually think they were good.
Minor Axis
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Although I don't really believe God exists as described in the Bible, I feel pretty comfortable saying that we are on this Earth to experience life the good and the bad. Those who believe that "God rewards the good" lacks the ability to see clearly at least as far as being rewarded in this life. There are no guarantees and no white knight who will pluck you or your child from physical danger. This is self evident because there are SO MANY cases of bad things happening to good people and good things happening to bad people every single day. Especially for religious people, if you feel your soul goes to heaven to sit beside whomever, as compared to the brief time you spend on Earth, the spiritual plain could be the more substantial existence and your life on Earth is merely a learning simulation. We are down here to have shit thrown at us and learn something from it! Hopefully we learn the right thing.
If he does exist and plays the earth and its living creatures like chess, the burning Butter Jesus is even more hilarious because me made it catch fire from the lightening and melt... I can imagine how Jesus starting whining and bitching at him.
But on a more serious note, I can't worship or respect a God that lets so much wrong happen in the world.
Minor Axis
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Maybe your expectations of what "God" is and his responsibilities are have been raised to an unreasonable level?
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