Georgia Executes Davis

[Johnfromokc]

Looks like there was more than reasonable doubt. They could have just as easily commuted the sentence to life. If future evidence proves this man to have been innocent, you can't release someone from death.

 

[Minor Axis]

Obviously there weren't in the minds of the 12 jurors and the appeals courts afterwards...and they know a lot more than we do.

I've seen how those jury's go when it comes to disagreements (at least in the movies). In many cases there are intense psychology pressures to conform and it truly takes a strong individual to go against the flow. But did the jury impose a death sentence or is that dictated by the State? I guess what I'm say is that there is dual responsibility in trials, those who decide guilt and those who decide punishment.

 

[All Else Failed]

So you don't see or are just ignoring the fact that the ballistics simply match and have in no way been physically tied to him???

ballistics matching is a tie to him

Every lawyer friend of mine I've talked to said he was guilty as sin

 

[Minor Axis]

ballistics matching is a tie to him

weapon was not recovered, ballistic evidence presented at trial linked bullets recovered at or near the scene to those at another shooting in which Davis was also charged. He was convicted of murder and various lesser charges, including the earlier shooting, and was sentenced to death in August 1991.

As I understand the law unless he was convicted of the other shooting, then the evidence as you quoted should be inadmissible.

 

[Natasha]

ballistics matching is a tie to him

Every lawyer friend of mine I've talked to said he was guilty as sin

LMFAO...I'd be willing to guess none of them are defense attorneys.

This:

No murder weapon – neither the gun owned by Cole nor that said to be owned by Davis – was ever recovered.[SUP][29][/SUP] A ballistics expert testified that the .38 caliber bullet that killed MacPhail could have been fired from the same gun that wounded Cooper at the Cloverdale pool party, though he admitted doubt about this. However, he stated he was confident that .38 casings found at Cloverdale matched one allegedly later found by a homeless man near the scene of MacPhail's shooting.[SUP][27][/SUP][SUP][31][/SUP][SUP][32][/SUP]

...in no way ties the murder weapon to him. The murder weapon wasn't even recovered...there's no way to tie a murder weapon that hasn't been recovered to a suspect!!! A bullet casing found at one scene matches the bullet found at the other scene. This only means the 2 shootings are connected. It still in no way points to Troy Davis...that you think it does is astounding IMO.

 

[All Else Failed]

Actually 2 of them are.


and I don't think you understand ballistics. No two guns are the same ballistically. The bullets used in the murder matched the ones that *were* definitely tied to him before.


Do you seriously think that is a coincidence? A guy that has a record of such a thing having two of the same bullets connected to him? One in a definite way and the one which was "pending" because they didn't have a murder weapon? Given the situation, you have to be blind not to see that his gun was used. It is impossible for it not to be at least in ballistical terms.


maybe those 7 people who said they saw him shooting the guy were just having a good old laugh!

 

[Natasha]

Actually 2 of them are.


and I don't think you understand ballistics. No two guns are the same ballistically. The bullets used in the murder matched the ones that *were* definitely tied to him before.


Do you seriously think that is a coincidence? A guy that has a record of such a thing having two of the same bullets connected to him? One in a definite way and the one which was "pending" because they didn't have a murder weapon? Given the situation, you have to be blind not to see that his gun was used. It is impossible for it not to be at least in ballistical terms.


maybe those 7 people who said they saw him shooting the guy were just having a good old laugh!

They have bullets. They have NO GUN. Therefore NO GUN has been tied to Troy Davis (or anybody else in this world, for that matter). All we know is that the bullets came from the same .38...only one person knows where that gun is and it ain't the police. And if I remember correctly it was 9 people that SAID they saw him shooting the guy...7 of those recanted. You don't see any problems w/ that??? I don't even know if I think the man was innocent...but I think there were enough questions raised that he shouldn't have been executed. I am the biggest "if they're convicted and can't get it overturned on appeal they're probably guilty" type person and this one just does not sit right w/ me. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, obviously, but to say a gun that was never found has been tied to this man is inaccurate.

 

[All Else Failed]

They have bullets. They have NO GUN. Therefore NO GUN has been tied to Troy Davis (or anybody else in this world, for that matter). All we know is that the bullets came from the same .38...only one person knows where that gun is and it ain't the police. And if I remember correctly it was 9 people that SAID they saw him shooting the guy...7 of those recanted. You don't see any problems w/ that??? I don't even know if I think the man was innocent...but I think there were enough questions raised that he shouldn't have been executed. I am the biggest "if they're convicted and can't get it overturned on appeal they're probably guilty" type person and this one just does not sit right w/ me. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, obviously, but to say a gun that was never found has been tied to this man is inaccurate.

They do not need a gun since they have two round exactly the same ballistically.

Not all .38 caliber revolvers are the same. Not even ones of the same make and manufacture batch. Each one has unique ballistic characteristics.

 

[Natasha]

They do not need a gun since they have two round exactly the same ballistically.

Not all .38 caliber revolvers are the same. Not even ones of the same make and manufacture batch. Each one has unique ballistic characteristics.

Obviously there is a failure to communicate between us two. Yes the bullets are the same and were fired from the same gun...but that only ties the bullets to the gun, not the gun to him.

 

[All Else Failed]

so someone stole it or something and committed basically the same crime he was already charged with before with him at the scene

sure

 

[Natasha]

The crimes occurred the same night, did they not??? You're determined to make 1 + 1 = 3.

 

[skyblue]

ok,my sleeves are rolled up....natasha get behind me

 

[Minor Axis]

They do not need a gun since they have two round exactly the same ballistically.

Not all .38 caliber revolvers are the same. Not even ones of the same make and manufacture batch. Each one has unique ballistic characteristics.

If there is no gun, how can the bullets be associated with the defendant... he was seen at another crime scene where a bullet was matched? Don't mistake this for an argument that the man was innocent. It is an argument that the evidence did not meet the requirements for an execution.

 

[All Else Failed]

The crimes occurred the same night, did they not??? You're determined to make 1 + 1 = 3.

yes and both bullets were the same with witnesses.


the fact that they recanted means nothing.

 

[The Man]

Screw the death penalty.
Death is final
People lie
People make mistakes
Decision making isnt a perfect science with innocence or guilt..
People are dishonest .
A defense attorney may not believe his client and just go through the routines.
Evidence may not be allowed in behalf of the defendant due to the judge.
Prosecutors make it difficult for defense to make deadlines as they withhold evidence.
Evidence gathered by the state that is useful for the defendant is often not reported.
Its not a fair game.

Now lets reverse the roles of all involved..from the police on up.
Imagine the cops job is find anything he could to find your innocence
Same for the state..etc..the outcomes would be much different.

Lets say the police ask 10 people how tall was such and such and what was he wearing...3 say a blue coat and he was about 6 foot tall..5 say about five 10 and a green coat 2 say something different...the defense doesnt know about the what the three and two said..just the 5.
They arent even allowed to talk to these 5 until a deposition ...but the police and state cant talk to these 5 anytime they want dumping a couple along the way if need be.
If a police report stated that several people had different stories they then in effect would would put less weight on the testimony of the actual witnesses.
See they can investigate until they find what they want and hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest..their job is hang your ass not save it
2 labs say a different knife...1 says same knife..which lab is the state going to use...its hush hush about the other labs as well.
these labs make money......you dont very well goes against the customer do you..or they take their business else where {as far as private labs}
But remember the state also has their own labs,,very convenient much like the fox guarding the hen house

This is why so many people have been wrongly executed...its all about a conviction and winning...has nothing to do with truth

 

[Accountable]

There should be no execution so long as there is the slightest doubt.

Seems like the Liberals new rant is to make it all about the Tea Party

That's because they can't find any real differences in the rank-&-file Repubs. They look & act just like Dems. They even have the same sponsors.

What I find so ironic is the fact that the family (white) of the cop killed wanted Davis put down, but they just put down that cocksucker who deserved to die down in Texas (for the hate crime), and the son (black) of the victim in that case said he had better things in his life than to want his father's killer executed.

I don't see any irony. That's simply a difference in personality ... or are you saying that only and all white people are vengeful based on two news stories?