Final judgment. Not required says the Bible.

[Greatest I am]

Final judgment. Not required says the Bible.

If God is the creator, and as a Deist without a creator, I do not believe in such, but at the same time, I believe in the perfection or the world and universe.
That being the case, and having Biblical back up for that theory, then what would a creator God of perfection need to judge or re-due?

He could only judge that all that He had created would retain it’s perfection.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Right?

That or admit that He somehow screwed up and that is said to be impossible for God.

Right?

If there is one constant that the literal Bible speaks of, it is that all the souls/watches that God/the watchmaker creates, is that they will always keep good time or follow their nature in a perfect way.
The following gives truth to this statement.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPClzIsYxvA

Now some of little faith will think that God must return to fix things but if the literal Bible is to be believed, God will never return to fix what the Bible says cannot possibly need repair. Things are always in a state of evolving perfection.
No new heaven and earth is ever required and that makes these passages literally true.

Genesis 13:15 - All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever.

Ecclesiastes 1:4 - Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever.

I do realize that there are conflicting passages for this notion,

Isaiah 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


But I dismiss them out of hand because they would logically lead to the fact that God must fix what could not possibly be broken.
This basically means that there is no such thing as a rapture or an end time.

Right?

Regards
DL

 

[sexysadie]

Have you even noticed that it`s only the `non-believers`that ever post these threads? And they say WE preach...lol

 

[edgray]

Have you even noticed that it`s only the `non-believers`that ever post these threads? And they say WE preach...lol

we're just trying to help

 

[Tuffdisc]

Have you even noticed that it`s only the `non-believers`that ever post these threads? And they say WE preach...lol

Yeah, there are also lots of atheists on here that quote the bible, yet don't believe, I fail to see how they would understand the Bible

 

[Greatest I am]

Have you even noticed that it`s only the `non-believers`that ever post these threads? And they say WE preach...lol

Deist are not quite true non-believers but since you did not refute anything, I guess I hit the nail on the head.

You are definitely sounding more like a Christian though. Can't refute so turn to personal insults instead.

Your Bible is teaching you well.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Yeah, there are also lots of atheists on here that quote the bible, yet don't believe, I fail to see how they would understand the Bible

Primarily because Christians do not know how to explain their beliefs because they are fantasy based and they think it is literal.

You will also note the crap in the post from the first theist.

Regards
DL

 

[edgray]

Primarily because Christians do not know how to explain their beliefs because they are fantasy based and they think it is literal.

You will also note the crap in the post from the first theist.

Regards
DL

why are their beliefs "fantasy based" and yours not?

 

[Tuffdisc]

Primarily because Christians do not know how to explain their beliefs because they are fantasy based and they think it is literal.

You will also note the crap in the post from the first theist.

Regards
DL

As if you don't talk rubbish and fantasy :thumbup

 

[Tuffdisc]

why are their beliefs "fantasy based" and yours not?

Exactly:24:

 

[Greatest I am]

why are their beliefs "fantasy based" and yours not?

Because my thinking does not start with talking animals and staffs that can turn into snakes or a just God who genocides our ass.

My beliefs are based on facts.
Not all provable to others but facts nevertheless that have proven themselves to me.
Faith without facts is for fools.

Hope, perhaps not. I see a large difference.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

As if you don't talk rubbish and fantasy :thumbup

Again spoken like a true Christian. Insult without showing the facts to back it up.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Exactly:24:

Look who is laughing.
One whose beliefs starts with talking animals and staffs that can turn into snakes or a just God who genocides our ass.

Are you ready to believe in my flying spaghetti monster yet.

Regards
DL

 

[edgray]

Because my thinking does not start with talking animals and staffs that can turn into snakes or a just God who genocides our ass.

My beliefs are based on facts.
Not all provable to others but facts nevertheless that have proven themselves to me.
Faith without facts is for fools.

Hope, perhaps not. I see a large difference.

Regards
DL

But if your "facts" aren't provable to others, they aren't facts, are they?

For the benefit of everyone here, I would like to ask you to explain your beliefs, and how they differ from everyone else's.

Thanks.

 

[Minor Axis]

He could only judge that all that He had created would retain it’s perfection.

This is a pretty good logical statement.

As far as non-believers preaching, although I admit the OP is a prolific generator of "questioning" posts, most of these are designed to generate discussion countering established religious dogma. Instead of saying "this is how it is", asking "how is this conclusion reached?". I see a difference. The preacher tells you if you don't do "A" (the desired action), the result will be "B" (a negative outcome), but if you are a good follower, the results will be "C" (a positive outcome). I don't see that happening in these posts from the people who question. The emphasis is on how and why? But the typical religious answer is not to question, just accept what you are told, have faith!

What exactly is the difference between worshiping a God and believing in a dragon in your garage, that no one can see, touch, or find any evidence for it's existence? Is it reasonable to condemn those people who say "I can't see it"? More importantly, if God exists and he is a just God, would he hold it against any individual who has trouble seeing him? As the creator, that appears to be God's shortcoming, but God is perfect, so...? The follow-on question is how does this fit in with the typical religious view of judgment before God? Why is there judgment? And if there is judgment, will you be judged for your actions, not believing in God, or both? So many unanswered questions.

BTW, I am a believer, just not sure of what yet.

 

[Greatest I am]

But if your "facts" aren't provable to others, they aren't facts, are they?

Yes they are. Two quick examples.
My wife and I experienced a true telepathic communication the one time. Without her to confirm the ability, I would not give any veracity to my second telepathic experience where I touched the mind of the Godhead or better said, a cosmic consciousness.
I have no dogma to sell from the encounter.
We also saw two small lights doing things that seem to us to be unexplainable.
Both of us would pass a lie detector test on these but they are un-provable.


You might also wonder, if a lie, why we would open ourselves to scorn with no good motive or profit.

For the benefit of everyone here, I would like to ask you to explain your beliefs, and how they differ from everyone else's.

Thanks.

Basically, I believe as the old Gnostic Christians did that we all have within us the potential of contact with God and do not have to follow some church hierarchy to know about God.
Jesus was likely of that persuasion as well. Have ye forgotten that you are God's?
Your body is the temple of God.
Ps 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
As well as many other sayings like these.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

This is a pretty good logical statement.

As far as non-believers preaching, although I admit the OP is a prolific generator of "questioning" posts, most of these are designed to generate discussion countering established religious dogma. Instead of saying "this is how it is", asking "how is this conclusion reached?". I see a difference. The preacher tells you if you don't do "A" (the desired action), the result will be "B" (a negative outcome), but if you are a good follower, the results will be "C" (a positive outcome). I don't see that happening in these posts from the people who question. The emphasis is on how and why? But the typical religious answer is not to question, just accept what you are told, have faith!

What exactly is the difference between worshiping a God and believing in a dragon in your garage, that no one can see, touch, or find any evidence for it's existence? Is it reasonable to condemn those people who say "I can't see it"? More importantly, if God exists and he is a just God, would he hold it against any individual who has trouble seeing him? As the creator, that appears to be God's shortcoming, but God is perfect, so...? The follow-on question is how does this fit in with the typical religious view of judgment before God? Why is there judgment? And if there is judgment, will you be judged for your actions, not believing in God, or both? So many unanswered questions.

BTW, I am a believer, just not sure of what yet.

I do not mind listening to someone who says they know God or have spoken to God and I too have questioned those who say they have talked to God but invariably when asked what information was given or the message, they reach for a bible that people have been discussing and debating for 2000 years. A God would know this and surely to God, so to speak, the dumb dick would come up with something new and decisive, not just the same old B S for us to debate for another 2000 years.
No God would be that stupid.

Regards
DL

 

[edgray]

Yes they are. Two quick examples.
My wife and I experienced a true telepathic communication the one time. Without her to confirm the ability, I would not give any veracity to my second telepathic experience where I touched the mind of the Godhead or better said, a cosmic consciousness.
I have no dogma to sell from the encounter.
We also saw two small lights doing things that seem to us to be unexplainable.
Both of us would pass a lie detector test on these but they are un-provable.

You might also wonder, if a lie, why we would open ourselves to scorn with no good motive or profit.

And how are you sure your telepathic experiences weren't moments of temporary insanity? I ask because there have been scores of claims to this kind of thing, and never have any stood up to any kind of scrutiny.

As for lights in the sky, these could have been any number of unexplained phenomenon. How and why would that be any indication of any kind of God?

I do indeed wonder your motive here. You are very critical of any kind of theistic belief yet the basis of yours aren't any different.

Basically, I believe as the old Gnostic Christians did that we all have within us the potential of contact with God and do not have to follow some church hierarchy to know about God.
Jesus was likely of that persuasion as well. Have ye forgotten that you are God's?
Your body is the temple of God.
Ps 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
As well as many other sayings like these.

Regards
DL

There's no record of Jesus or his miracles in secular history, so we can be quite sure he didn't exist, so there's little use using him as an example for anything.

Have you ever read any Fritjof Capra? I would recommend his book, The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism - it might be something that would interest you.

 

[Greatest I am]

And how are you sure your telepathic experiences weren't moments of temporary insanity? I ask because there have been scores of claims to this kind of thing, and never have any stood up to any kind of scrutiny.

If so then both my wife and I went insane for a fwe seconds at the same time in different parts of the house.

As for lights in the sky, these could have been any number of unexplained phenomenon. How and why would that be any indication of any kind of God?

I did not say it was. I just gave it as an example of a fact that cannot be proven.

I do indeed wonder your motive here. You are very critical of any kind of theistic belief yet the basis of yours aren't any different.

Not any knind of theist. just those who are literalists and fundamentals and you have seen my links indicating why i fight them.

mine are different as stated because they are based in facts and not in fiction. They too are un-provable and that is why you will not see me push them.

There's no record of Jesus or his miracles in secular history, so we can be quite sure he didn't exist, so there's little use using him as an example for anything.

There is ample evidence that he existed as a mythological archetype and you are right, there is nothing to indicate that he was a literally real person.

Have you ever read any Fritjof Capra? I would recommend his book, The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism - it might be something that would interest you.

I may check it out if time permits.

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

Again spoken like a true Christian. Insult without showing the facts to back it up.

Regards
DL

Really now? Suppose you have something to back it with, and where is the insults when it is true?:thumbup

 

[Zorak]

There's no record of Jesus or his miracles in secular history, so we can be quite sure he didn't exist, so there's little use using him as an example for anything.

There's no record of Jesus in secular history?

There's a roman death certificate for starters.