Fathers. Who would you sacrifice? You or your son?

[Greatest I am]

Please put spaces betwen paragraphs OP, that post is very confusing to me.

DT3

If you are still here. Please note that I had spaces in my O P when I created my document but your program here drops them somehow. I do not know if it is fixable.

That does not seem to bother most but some are confused by it.

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

If Abraham believed in the sanctity of human life, and lived by Jesus’ command to do to your neighbor as yourself....he would have refused.. It is a moral issue, Had Abraham done that, God would have had to end his game and in rethinking, would have perhaps notice what an immoral thing he was doing. This sort of moral position for Abraham is upheld occasionally when a person refuses to back down, even at the cost of his life. We revere a person like this, call them heroes. This is NOT the cloth Abraham was cut from.
Man had a great opportunity to teach God good morals. Man, with all his faults, is greater and more responsible than God in this issue.

Regards
DL

You obviously don't know the difference between Judaism and Christianity

I think that Abraham did know the sanctity of human life, God wanted to test Abraham..had he not knew the sanctity of life, he like many other murderers would of killed his Son

 

[ganny]

No, Jesus is the son of God.

DL, if you are so certain that God is a fictional character then why do you spend so much of your time studying his word? Why are you so eager to prove his non-existence? Why would you spend so much time on it?

 

[dkwrtw]

DT3

If you are still here. Please note that I had spaces in my O P when I created my document but your program here drops them somehow. I do not know if it is fixable.

That does not seem to bother most but some are confused by it.

Regards
DL

ok, thanks for clearing that up, I haven't had that problem.

 

[Greatest I am]

And it was the Son's sacrifice and not God who sacrificed his son

I do not know of any Bible backing for your assurtion but----

I am not sure why you would want to call these lies but do as you like.

John 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 10:36
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

I can get many more references if you need any.


If not a lie then I guess you just gave truth to this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28religion.html?_r=2&src=tp

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

DL, and to answer your last post to my reply, you haven't even began to answer my question, so I don't answer questions until you do

I expected Christians of your ilk to run from this one and you should know that---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4NKYn4A3mg

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Jesus is the go between, not God. Thats why we pray to God in Jesus's name.

Was that your explanation? Ok.
Piss poor.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Why would you want to pray to a middleman junior when you have access to the big kahuna. If I was a praying man, that is who I would pray to.

The reason I do not pray often is because that is one of the most selfish and self centered things to do.
When I pray, I pray for pain then the principle of duality can perhaps help someone else. I do not really like to succeed. It hurts when God answers my prayer.

BTW, you still have not answered my O P question. Care to?

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

I expected Christians of your ilk to run from this one and you should know that---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4NKYn4A3mg

Regards
DL

I don't get you, you still haven't answered that question I posted to you in another thread

Lets put it this way, I will ask again, if you avoid answering it we know what you are really like

So here it is again

You said that God does not forgive because he refuses to let in gays, murderers, people who fornicate, prostitutes etc into Heaven...the question is, would you allow a paedophile, or a person who has murdered/raped the person you love the most, into your own home? For most people, except you this is straight forward

 

[Greatest I am]

You obviously don't know the difference between Judaism and Christianity

I think that Abraham did know the sanctity of human life, God wanted to test Abraham..had he not knew the sanctity of life, he like many other murderers would of killed his Son

You are quite the nuisance. I wish you would pay attention to what is said.

Originally Posted by HottyToddyChick
Wasn't there a man that God told to sacrifice his son? Abraham, perhaps? Although, that can't be right. I'm afraid I don't keep up with my biblical facts. But I am sure that God commanded someone to sacrifice his son.
Yes he asked for a sacrifice but that is not really relevant because he did not let it happen. It was a test for Abraham to see if he would do it. Now why an omnipotent God who already knew the outcome of the test would bother causing such pain in a father is beyond me unless he just wanted to be a cruel S O B.

Would you cause a bunch of pain to someone you supposedly loved just to test some theory that you already know your loved on will pass?

If you answer yes then you are a S O B to my mind.
I am sure you would not though. Humans tend not to hurt those they say they love. Why God does is beyond me.

You did not answer my question though. Care to?

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

No, Jesus is the son of God.

DL, if you are so certain that God is a fictional character then why do you spend so much of your time studying his word? Why are you so eager to prove his non-existence? Why would you spend so much time on it?

What he likes doing is putting his own twist on what is written in the Bible and making everyone believe that God is this nasty and irrelevant entity, if only he spent time reading it properly, he wouldn't come up with such hatred of God

 

[Tuffdisc]

You are quite the nuisance. I wish you would pay attention to what is said.

Originally Posted by HottyToddyChick
Wasn't there a man that God told to sacrifice his son? Abraham, perhaps? Although, that can't be right. I'm afraid I don't keep up with my biblical facts. But I am sure that God commanded someone to sacrifice his son.
Yes he asked for a sacrifice but that is not really relevant because he did not let it happen. It was a test for Abraham to see if he would do it. Now why an omnipotent God who already knew the outcome of the test would bother causing such pain in a father is beyond me unless he just wanted to be a cruel S O B.

Would you cause a bunch of pain to someone you supposedly loved just to test some theory that you already know your loved on will pass?

If you answer yes then you are a S O B to my mind.
I am sure you would not though. Humans tend not to hurt those they say they love. Why God does is beyond me.

You did not answer my question though. Care to?

Regards
DL

Oh I am glad I am a nuisance to you, I am proving something to you :thumbup

 

[Tuffdisc]

You are quite the nuisance. I wish you would pay attention to what is said.

Originally Posted by HottyToddyChick
Wasn't there a man that God told to sacrifice his son? Abraham, perhaps? Although, that can't be right. I'm afraid I don't keep up with my biblical facts. But I am sure that God commanded someone to sacrifice his son.
Yes he asked for a sacrifice but that is not really relevant because he did not let it happen. It was a test for Abraham to see if he would do it. Now why an omnipotent God who already knew the outcome of the test would bother causing such pain in a father is beyond me unless he just wanted to be a cruel S O B.

Would you cause a bunch of pain to someone you supposedly loved just to test some theory that you already know your loved on will pass?

If you answer yes then you are a S O B to my mind.
I am sure you would not though. Humans tend not to hurt those they say they love. Why God does is beyond me.

You did not answer my question though. Care to?

Regards
DL

Sorry, but God didn't put Jesus to the cross, but mankind if you can read properly, it was the sin and ignorance of mankind that nailed Jesus to the cross...noone else, no suicide, no sacrifice by God, please re-read the Bible without hating God, please read with a neutral mind

 

[Greatest I am]

No, Jesus is the son of God.

DL, if you are so certain that God is a fictional character then why do you spend so much of your time studying his word? Why are you so eager to prove his non-existence? Why would you spend so much time on it?

Answer the original O P question and I will be pleased to go off topic after.
Actually, a honest answer to it would likely answer the question you just posed.
Try it and see if it doesn't.
You seem to be bobbing an weaving as much as Tuffdisc. I wonder why!

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

Answer the original O P question and I will be pleased to go off topic after.
Actually, a honest answer to it would likely answer the question you just posed.
Try it and see if it doesn't.
You seem to be bobbing an weaving as much as Tuffdisc. I wonder why!

Regards
DL

Who is more bobbing and weaving? Oh don't you do that by not answering questions that are put to you?

 

[Tuffdisc]

See, he is not answering the question that I put to him, and he says that I am bobbing and weaving

 

[Greatest I am]

I don't get you, you still haven't answered that question I posted to you in another thread

Lets put it this way, I will ask again, if you avoid answering it we know what you are really like

So here it is again

You said that God does not forgive because he refuses to let in gays, murderers, people who fornicate, prostitutes etc into Heaven...the question is, would you allow a paedophile, or a person who has murdered/raped the person you love the most, into your own home? For most people, except you this is straight forward

Firstly. I did not say what you show above. If so get the quote you iying turd.

As to your question.
With God's power, why not. I would cure them instantly. How else do you think heaven works with a God who can cure just as easilly as kill. I know this and it is why I did not say the above. Get the quote or be known for the liar you are.
Is this simple question why you have been bobbing and weaving and dancing around so much. What an idiot child you are. Go away and find a child to play with. You are out of youe league with me if you have yet to noticed.

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

Firstly. I did not say what you show above. If so get the quote you iying turd.

As to your question.
With God's power, why not. I would cure them instantly. How else do you think heaven works with a God who can cure just as easilly as kill. I know this and it is why I did not say the above. Get the quote or be known for the liar you are.
Is this simple question why you have been bobbing and weaving and dancing around so much. What an idiot child you are. Go away and find a child to play with. You are out of youe league with me if you have yet to noticed.

Regards
DL

Oh you did say that :24: Oh name calling now? If you were the greatest, you would of known that is against the rules of this forum

 

[Greatest I am]

What he likes doing is putting his own twist on what is written in the Bible and making everyone believe that God is this nasty and irrelevant entity, if only he spent time reading it properly, he wouldn't come up with such hatred of God

And if I was wrong then you and ganny would debate honestly instead of showing everyone how dishonest you both are.

People around here are not as stupid as you think they are.

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

And if I was wrong then you and ganny would debate honestly instead of showing everyone how dishonest you both are.

People around here are not as stupid as you think they are.

Regards
DL

Pfffft, I am not dishonest. Yeah I know people can think for themselves, just you can't:24:

 

[Greatest I am]

Oh I am glad I am a nuisance to you, I am proving something to you :thumbup

Yes. That you are as bright as a burnt bulb.

Regards
DL