Fathers. Who would you sacrifice? You or your son?

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Fathers. Who would you sacrifice? You or your son?

There is a lot of information and arguments around questioning the divinity and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Even his historicity is unproven and the general consensus seems to be that he never existed and that the scriptures are a re-write of older religions. In fact, the story of Jesus resembles many of the older Gods right back to 3,000 BCE in Egypt as Horus.

The fact is that we will probably never know. For this little exercise in thought
though, I will assume that he was real and sent by his father as scripture says to die for us.

God is suppose to set the standard of thoughts and actions for mankind. We are suppose to emulate him in every way. Scripture urges us to seek to be as perfect as God.

Yet here on earth, it has been our custom that if a son or father needs to be sacrificed, the father usually steps up. We would all find it counter intuitive if God and Jesus were on a sinking ship and God took the life boat and let Jesus drown. If he could that is. We do send our sons to war but that is somewhat different and I would exclude that consideration here.

Why then do we so readily applaud God sending Jesus to die instead of stepping up himself. Other than the father son relationship, they were identical, so to speak. Why would God or the Bible try to teach us that fathers should sacrifice their sons?

Human fathers believe it better to have the sons bury them instead of them burying the sons. That is certainly my wish and if God asked differently from me, even the Godhead that I believe in truly, I would tell it to kiss my eh, rump.

From outside of Christianity, if we saw Christians follow their Gods example in this issue, most of the world and I dare say, even the non literal and fundamental Christians would condemn their own God and fellow Christians if the fathers sacrificed the sons ahead of themselves.

This is rather a catch 22 for Christians.

As a Christian, would you follow your God's example on this issue, in effect follow His command to emulate him as you are asked to do by your church and Bible, and sacrifice your son,
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would you ignore your God and church, in effect break the first commandment, and place your standards above God’s, and step up yourself as a parent to sacrifice yourself?

Who would you sacrifice? You or your child?

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Imma step in here and say (ANd being a mother I know what I would do as mom or dad) ...Anyone ever try to make me sacrifice my child....would be immediataly told to go find the biggest stick around....and shove it. I would never choose my life over my childs. No religion is worth that. Id rather be dammned :p
 

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I thought God's son died because some people didn't like his preaching

Put it this way, if you love your enemy and I don't mean in a sexual way, would you put to death that man who told you to do that?
 

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I think you are talking about two totally different things. Jesus died on the cross for our sins, but rose again 3 days later. He was sent to walk on this Earth so that he could understand the sin of man. Understand the temptations mankind has to deal with. He was sent to understand us so that he can be the go between for us and God. I dont know all the biblical facts and scriptures, but I still believe you are comparing apples and oranges. Just my $.02.
 

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Wasn't there a man that God told to sacrifice his son? Abraham, perhaps? Although, that can't be right. I'm afraid I don't keep up with my biblical facts. But I am sure that God commanded someone to sacrifice his son.
 

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"Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. But the angel of the LORD called out to him from heaven, "Abraham! Abraham!" "Here I am," he replied. "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son. . . . "
"The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." (Genesis 22:10-12, 15-18, NIV)
 

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I thought God's son died because some people didn't like his preaching

Put it this way, if you love your enemy and I don't mean in a sexual way, would you put to death that man who told you to do that?

Still dancing I see.

Answer mine and I will answer yours.

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I think you are talking about two totally different things. Jesus died on the cross for our sins, but rose again 3 days later. He was sent to walk on this Earth so that he could understand the sin of man. Understand the temptations mankind has to deal with. He was sent to understand us so that he can be the go between for us and God. I dont know all the biblical facts and scriptures, but I still believe you are comparing apples and oranges. Just my $.02.

How can God be a go between God and man? Can you be a go between between you and your children?
How can he stand between himself and us.
Rather hard to visualize or say with a straight face.

Like sacrificing himself to himself. That is not a sacrifice. it is like taking 10 bucks out of one pocket and putting it in the other pocket and saying you sacrificed something.

I'm willing to try to understand if you want to try and explain it.

Regards
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DL, and to answer your last post to my reply, you haven't even began to answer my question, so I don't answer questions until you do
 

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Wasn't there a man that God told to sacrifice his son? Abraham, perhaps? Although, that can't be right. I'm afraid I don't keep up with my biblical facts. But I am sure that God commanded someone to sacrifice his son.

Yes he asked for a sacrifice but that is not really relevant because he did not let it happen. It was a test for Abraham to see if he would do it. Now why an omnipotent God who already knew the outcome of the test would bother causing such pain in a father is beyond me unless he just wanted to be a cruel S O B.

Would you cause a bunch of pain to someone you supposedly loved just to test some theory that you already know your loved on will pass?

If you answer yes then you are a S O B to my mind.
I am sure you would not though. Humans tend not to hurt those they say they love. Why God does is beyond me.

You did not answer my question though. Care to?

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How can God be a go between God and man? Can you be a go between between you and your children?
How can he stand between himself and us.
Rather hard to visualize or say with a straight face.

Like sacrificing himself to himself. That is not a sacrifice. it is like taking 10 bucks out of one pocket and putting it in the other pocket and saying you sacrificed something.

I'm willing to try to understand if you want to try and explain it.

Regards
DL


Jesus is the go between, not God. Thats why we pray to God in Jesus's name.
 

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"Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. But the angel of the LORD called out to him from heaven, "Abraham! Abraham!" "Here I am," he replied. "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son. . . . "
"The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." (Genesis 22:10-12, 15-18, NIV)

If Abraham believed in the sanctity of human life, and lived by Jesus’ command to do to your neighbor as yourself....he would have refused.. It is a moral issue, Had Abraham done that, God would have had to end his game and in rethinking, would have perhaps notice what an immoral thing he was doing. This sort of moral position for Abraham is upheld occasionally when a person refuses to back down, even at the cost of his life. We revere a person like this, call them heroes. This is NOT the cloth Abraham was cut from.
Man had a great opportunity to teach God good morals. Man, with all his faults, is greater and more responsible than God in this issue.

Regards
DL
 
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