Euthanasia: Death Becomes Him

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JanieDough

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That's right people, it's time for a cliche debate:

Are you pro Euthanasia or not?


Here's an article giving you some information on a Dr. that performs euthanasia...but it's really long so I pasted the interesting tid bits below.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/03/death-becomes-him/7916/

Over the past decade, Ludwig Minelli has helped more than 1,000 people kill themselves and has turned Zurich into the undisputed world capital of assisted suicide. Minelli sees himself as a crusader for what he calls “the last human right”—and he believes that helping more and more people to die advances his cause. Even if you believe in an absolute right to die on your own terms, how far is too far in the quest to secure that right?


Assisted suicide is also legal in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg, as well as in the American states of Oregon, Washington, and Montana. But in all those places, the practice is restricted to people with incurable diseases, involves extensive medical testing and consultation with physicians, and requires that applicants be permanent residents. By contrast, Switzerland’s penal code was designed such that, without fear of prosecution, you can hand someone a loaded pistol and watch as he blows his brains out in your living room. And there is no residency requirement. There are only two conditions: that you have no self-interest in the victim’s death, and that he be of sound mind when he pulls the trigger.
 
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If someone is truly in that much pain that they are asking to die, let them. If something is terminal, why drag it out and make them suffer?

I can say this, if I am ever comatose with no chance of recovery or paralyzed, terminal etc. .I will ask that I be put out of my misery. . .Unless it's a type of terminal illness where I will be fine until the day I croak. .What's the likelihood of that though. .lol
 

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I say keep them jacked up on drugs so they can't feel the pain.

Also i would like to add that I consider a suicide a murder (even though my own brother is guilty of such.)

And to stray a bit more off topic, I am against abortion and capital punishment.
 

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As an Atheist I don't believe in any kind of hell or punishment for suicide, so that is where our views will differ a bit. .I'm more about personal choice.

I should be able to choose if I want to die or not, it is my life and my decision. What about quality of life? I'd rather die before I got to the point where I was doped out of my mind to deal with the pain..Why drag on a life for a couple of weeks if it's just going to be in constant agony?

Once again, I feel it's a personal choice. .And one that the government or anyone else doesn't have a right to make for you.
 

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if there was a god would you have a different opinion?


and if you don't believe in euthanasia for humans, do you believe in it for pets?
 

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if there was a god would you have a different opinion?


and if you don't believe in euthanasia for humans, do you believe in it for pets?

I believe that if a person is suffering and just wants to be put out of his or her misery because living is too painful then they have every right to choose to go to a professional for assisted suicide. It's their life after all who are we to tell them they cant end it when the anguish is physically too much to bear.
 

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I don't know if I could do it to my dog because he isn't telling me the pain is too much.

I also have never been in the situation where some one I knew was in that much pain, but I do know if I was in a coma i wouldn't want my life ended. People wake up sometimes. And some people who wake up say they were "awake" the whole time.
 

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I think its harder to decide for a pet because they cant speak.
As for getting my plug pulled, if the doctor is certain that I would be in a vegetated state I would want it pulled. Living isnt just about existing
 

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Wow this one always gets the troops riled up..... im putting mine in and getting the hell out of dodge before the big guns step in.


Dont agree with it, why should it be ok to assist someone to commit suicide?

My views Im outta here peace out! *runzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz*
 

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for pets, yes, if they are mortally wounded

(and I just realized how contradictive I must seem in this thread,
being that i am driving around firing a handgun)
 

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for pets, yes, if they are mortally wounded

(and I just realized how contradictive I must seem in this thread,
being that i am driving around firing a handgun)


lol for a second I didn't see your avy, and I was like "what? What have you been doing???" :24:
 

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God never clearly told us which path led to him, god never really told us what was and wasn't okay. So how could he possibly punish us for doing what we truly thought was morally right?

I think it's wrong to force a person, who can not ever live a quality life again, and who doesn't have much longer; to live. It is their body, their mind, and their life to decide. What can god possibly say? Our life is a gift from god--what we do with it is our gift to god (if a god exists), after living a morally correct life and doing what we thought was right, how can god possibly turn us to hell for choosing a quick death over a painful suffering one?

And even if you still think it is morally wrong, you should never have the ability to decide what is morally right for other people. If it doesn't affect your personal and basic rights, then why do you care what other people do? It's their life, their soul, their decision.
 
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God never clearly told us which path led to him, god never really told us what was and wasn't okay. So how could he possibly punish us for doing what we truly thought was morally right?

I think it's wrong to force a person, who can not ever live a quality life again, and who doesn't have much longer; to live. It is their body, their mind, and their life to decide. What can god possibly say? Our life is a gift from god--what we do with it is our gift to god (if a god exists), after living a morally correct life and doing what we thought was right, how can god possibly turn us to hell for choosing a quick death over a painful suffering one?

And even if you still think it is morally wrong, you should never have the ability to decide what is morally right for other people. If it doesn't affect your personal and basic rights, then why do you care what other people do? It's their life, their soul, their decision.

I believe God told us right/wrong and the path that leads to him through the Bible and Jesus, therefore i believe god decides what is right for us, not us.

On an unrelated not, I also believe that besides our bodies and loved ones, another of God's gifts to us is the earth, and we may be judged on how we've treated it.

Just my contradictory, back-sliding opinions.
 

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I believe God told us right/wrong and the path that leads to him through the Bible and Jesus, therefore i believe god decides what is right for us, not us.

On an unrelated not, I also believe that besides our bodies and loved ones, another of God's gifts to us is the earth, and we may be judged on how we've treated it.

Just my contradictory, back-sliding opinions.

Where does he, in the bible, state we can not put someone out of suffering--not to be rude or anything, I really am just asking :) Even if does say it in the bible, how can we know a religious official added it unknowingly and it isn't the real word of god?

And even if this is your belief, do you still think it should be against the law for everyone else?
 

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I know you're not being rude
and neither am I

I think this is stated in the Ten Commandments about not murdering

and i agree that certain things may have been added or altered in the Bible that shouldn't have

but the ten commandments, i choose to believe, are the real deal

and yes, even though, i disagree with most laws, this one I think should be

although there are extenuating circumstances in every case
abortion, assisted suicide, and even murder
and i think God, too, takes those circumstances into consideration when he judges us
I think he also takes into consideration any mental illness he may have afflicted us with
 
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