Emotional Bias

[OUZBnd]

ok. now i see the issue. or the hypothetical one at best..

first off - you do not get to tell me what is my right, and what is not my right. and by me telling you, i have just violated it, but i needed to tell you anyways.

secondly, there is always a best option, of which may not be the choices given. in this case, it would also depend on the environment, and the weapon used to kill. should that weapon be a hand gun, point it straight back at the person giving you the choice. turn the situation around. plus, debating is also another option. always appeal to the good side of the person, no matter how minute the chance that the person presenting you the choices actually has a good side. hell, just ask for time to make the wrong decision, just like the person who gave you the choice did.

moral - there is no moral to this story. there is nothing to be gleaned from any point in this discussion. except there are more choices than those given.

Lemon, i don't think you understand the point he is making....

 

[lemon]

Nowhere in my posts have I indicated that in this scenario there is a man giving you a handgun, telling you to choose. I think you got this scenario from a post by another member. Do you understand that you have just redefined what the situation is? By you allowing all these other options to flow in, you have crafted the situation, allowing other decisions and then trying to attack my argument. As I have said previously, there is the choice between a loved one and two strangers. There is only that choice and nothing else. In this way, the choice can be made clearly.

Onto the issue of what your rights are, I can clearly say that you don’t have the right to place value on a single loved one over a number of people. Yes, I know people that would do far worse than kill two people to save a loved one.

And the point: Emotional attachment can lead you to make bad decisions

ok... um, so the only situation is the choice of between a loved one and 2 strangers?

ok.. and what environment are we in? you cant just tell us a conflict, with no supporting environment, and in such environment, there would be an aggressor (the one making you make a choice) who, if they did not have a way to enforce you to make your decision (by having a gun to your head, per se - its not the only thing that can pressed to you to show their aggressiveness), would not be an aggressor - which would then make your hypothetical situation not even have a reason to exist, even in the hypothetical sense.

in other words, i need more information then just "choose between your loved one and 2 strangers" because the choice depends on the environment.

and yes, i agree with that there should not be any more value to a loved one than the 2 strangers.

what i do not agree with is that there are no other options. and since you did not define an environment, there is no way to make such a decision, because it is impossible to make one, based on the fact of 2 strangers versus a loved one. what if you just had the worst arguement with your loved one? that would influence the decision. but that is not part of the environment, since you did not define one... nor did you say that one is at harmony with the loved one, since you did not define the environment.

so, yes, there are other options to consider, no matter how many options you say there are, which, by the way, you could just kill yourself, as so not to make the hard decision, and not place a value on either the loved one or the strangers. uh oh, there's an option that wasnt allowed... but id do it, just to satisfy the requirement that you cannot place one party higher than the other, in terms of value to oneself.

 

[FunkyIce]

You still fail to see my point.

 

[lemon]

so explain to me how emotional attachments make you make bad decisions..

because i have yet to see an explanation for such a conclusion.

 

[OUZBnd]

Stealing, killing, kidnapping, fighting, etc etc etc etc for someone you love. The connections are obvious.

 

[elluko]

You still fail to see my point.

What is your point?

 

[FunkyIce]

What is your point?

Since I am not in the mood to explain myself again, I recommend that read this thread before commenting.

 

[PrincessJettMicheyl]

reminds me of some of the things that psycho guy in the Saw movies put those people through. kill someone to save yourself & your loved ones?

My boyfriend always said he would rather have a couple hundred people die instead of one of his friends or relatives... he always said it was because there were plenty of people to repopulate those who were lost, so it didn't matter.

I don't know what I think. I think I wouldn't be able to decide until the scenario actually became reality.