Dog Attack on Illegal Immigrant Ignites Immigration Debate In N.J. Town

[Sneakiecat]

so? they are humans who were being threatened, who gives a shit about citizenry when someone's life is at risk?

The dogs thought the owners were being threatened and yet is wrong that they were attacking to defend the owners?

 

[All Else Failed]

The dogs thought the owners were being threatened and yet is wrong that they were attacking to defend the owners?

Its not wrong for them to attack, but its also not wrong for the people to defend themselves.

 

[dt3]

Its not wrong for them to attack, but its also not wrong for the people to defend themselves.

So should the dog be killed?

 

[Sneakiecat]

They were told not to go back there and they did. They were at fault.

 

[All Else Failed]

So should the dog be killed?

No, I do not think so.

 

[All Else Failed]

They were told not to go back there and they did. They were at fault.

yet they still have the right to defend themselves from injury or death.

 

[dt3]

yet they still have the right to defend themselves from injury or death.

Alright, similar hypothetical:

An intruder (not Scott) breaks into my home. Under Florida's "Castle" law, if I feel threatened, I'm allowed to shoot him. I draw my weapon. He shoots me.

Is that self-defense on his part? I say no, because he was breaking the law just by being where he was.

 

[All Else Failed]

Alright, similar hypothetical:

An intruder (not Scott) breaks into my home. Under Florida's "Castle" law, if I feel threatened, I'm allowed to shoot him. I draw my weapon. He shoots me.

Is that self-defense on his part? I say no, because he was breaking the law just by being where he was.

How does that even apply to this situation? The immigrants didn't mean the family harm. irrelevant.

 

[dt3]

How does that even apply to this situation? The immigrants didn't mean the family harm. irrelevant.

The family told them not to go back there. That means they were trespassing. That's illegal.

 

[All Else Failed]

The family told them not to go back there. That means they were trespassing. That's illegal.

and? They still can't defend themselves?

 

[dt3]

and? They still can't defend themselves?

Their "defending" involved a seemingly threatening action towards the homeowners.

 

[All Else Failed]

Their "defending" involved a seemingly threatening action towards the homeowners.

They weren't threatening them in the slightest, c'mon.

 

[dt3]

They weren't threatening them in the slightest, c'mon.

The actions they took (grabbing the woman), to a dog, would be considered threatening. Especially if they were trained to protect their owners.

 

[All Else Failed]

The actions they took (grabbing the woman), to a dog, would be considered threatening. Especially if they were trained to protect their owners.

you're still missing the point that they couldn't just stand there and let the dogs gnaw them to death.

 

[dt3]

you're still missing the point that they couldn't just stand there and let the dogs gnaw them to death.

And you're missing the point that they were on the property (and the country for that matter) illegally.

 

[All Else Failed]

And you're missing the point that they were on the property (and the country for that matter) illegally.

and youuuuuu're missing the point that the family HIRED these illegals who probably didn't speak English in the first place.:24:

 

[Crusty Lugholes]

It really doesn't matter if they went into the yard when instructed to, thats irrelevant. The only thing that matters in this case is that people were attacked by dogs, and they defended themselves.

Okay, By that logic I can scale the fence of my local junk yard or used car parts lot and when the watch dog there attacks me I can sue the owner of the lot for a monetary award.

 

[Tim]

Okay, By that logic I can scale the fence of my local junk yard or used car parts lot and when the watch dog there attacks me I can sue the owner of the lot for a monetary award.

That logic doesn't work at all... when you scale the fence you are breaking and entering. These guys were expected by the homeowners to work on their property.

I haven't seen it in any of the article here, but do you realize that the owner told them to wait until he put the dogs away before they came into the yard to work, then he went and took a shower BEFORE he was going to bring the dogs in. It was almost 15 minutes after he told them to wait until he put the dogs inside before they entered the back yard and got attacked.
Any reasonable person would think that within that 15 minutes that the dogs would have been put inside. They didn't know that he was going to take a freaking shower first... The owner was negligent...

It doesn't matter if these workers were undocumented or not. A human life ALWAYS comes before an animals life. ALWAYS! And if this isn't something we can agree on, than there is a much bigger problem than a few dog bites.

 

[Crusty Lugholes]

You're correct. I hadn't read a thing about the owner taking a shower in the mean time. With that important bit of info it becomes clear that the owner was negligent.

The reports I read were worded to make it seem as if the yard workers either didn't understand that they were to wait, (language barrier) or entered the back area before the owner could reasonably get the dogs secured.

I'll chalk those reports up to more Media hype over the illegal immigrant debate.

 

[Tim]

I saw this worker on TV being interviewed and his English seemed perfectly coherent to me... :dunno