Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards?

[Greatest I am]

Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards?

The Gay marriage issue may be instrumental in the destruction of Church and Mosque discrimination without just cause against certain sub groups within our greater society.

Notably, Gays, women, slaves and sexual practices.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/holy-unrest-over-religious-right-to-discriminate-20110212-1areb.html

http://www.scarborougheveningnews.co.uk/news/national/fury_over_same_sex_unions_in_church_1_3087271

The tradition of the Abrahamic cults and sects has been to be anti Gay, anti the equality of women, not emancipating slaves and telling consenting adults how to handle themselves in sexual matters.

Gays are said to be abominations.
Men are told to never allow a woman to have authority over them.
Women are told to submit to their male masters.
Run away slaves are told to return to their masters and the masters are told just how to beat their slaves. Nowhere in Christianity or Islam is there instructions to emancipate or free slaves.

In our secular worlds, do Christianity and Islam have the right to promote these discriminations that exceed and go directly against the humanistic thinking that the rest of the secular world seem to be going in?

Our Governments create laws and every law is permission and indeed compulsion to discriminate against certain sub groups within our societies. These laws can be questioned and repealed if society deems them against human rights and we see this happening in an ongoing basis and notably of late, we have recognized the inappropriateness of discriminating against Gays and others for reasons of sexual orientation and divorce. Religion forbids a change in dogma and frown against any questioning.

Should Government put a stop to these groups who are in effect usurping the power of the state and your vote?

We are in effect being lead by religion and not the state or Government we vote for.
Just who is the boss and why is my vote and yours being nullified by Religion and their ultra conservative agenda?

Churches and Mosques are discriminating against those that society has found innocent of wrongdoing.

Should Religions be told and or forced to stop doing so?

Have Religions crossed the line of separation of Church and State?

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"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)

You or some family member may be next on a Religious hit list my friend.
Think about it.

Regards
DL

 

[hart]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

No they don't

 

[edgray]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

this topic is so good he decided to post it twice.

 

[brieze]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

this topic is so good he decided to post it twice.

That's what happened... I thought my post just didn't go through.

 

[edgray]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

That's what happened... I thought my post just didn't go through.

you should hope it didn't go through. you'll get nothing but bother from this guy.

 

[alice in chains]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

I think the church should have the power to discriminate over the state as long as its repercussions are only of the church itself. The two entities should be absolutely seperated except on a few ideas...being the right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and all that jazz isn't compromised in the process.

 

[dkwrtw]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

They have the right to feel however they want about whoever they want :dunno

 

[Accountable]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards?

No

In our secular worlds, do Christianity and Islam have the right to promote these discriminations that exceed and go directly against the humanistic thinking that the rest of the secular world seem to be going in?

Yes

Should Government put a stop to these groups who are in effect usurping the power of the state and your vote?

No one is usurping the power of the state and my vote, so No.

We are in effect being lead by religion and not the state or Government we vote for.

If you are being led by religion, it is because you choose to follow.

Just who is the boss and why is my vote and yours being nullified by Religion and their ultra conservative agenda?

The citizen is the boss, and if your vote is being nullified, then the nullifier's vote is likewise being nullified by you.

Churches and Mosques are discriminating against those that society has found innocent of wrongdoing.

Should Religions be told and or forced to stop doing so?

No

Have Religions crossed the line of separation of Church and State?

I don't see any connection between the rest of your post and this statement. For completely different reasons, I see both Church and State crossing that line.

 

[Greatest I am]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

No they don't

One well reasoned view.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

this topic is so good he decided to post it twice.

It belongs in both religious discussions and political ones.

Thanks for the compliment though.

Do you plan on speaking to the issue?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

you should hope it didn't go through. you'll get nothing but bother from this guy.

Not if she makes sense.

I note that all you do is criticize on a personal level and do not speak to the issue.

Rather a pathetic cheep shooting but if that is your style.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

I think the church should have the power to discriminate over the state as long as its repercussions are only of the church itself. The two entities should be absolutely seperated except on a few ideas...being the right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and all that jazz isn't compromised in the process.

Look at that first link and opine on if those rules that they work on are effecting those they will fire for getting divorced or just going to bed with the wrong party in their tpursuit of happiness .

If the Church as a corporate entity can be exempt and exceed the discrimination laws that the rest of us must follow, why not other types of corporations.

Can they not also preach hate and enforce their own rules?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

They have the right to feel however they want about whoever they want :dunno

Sure. They have the right to preach hate for whoever they like.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)"

You might note that the courts do not agree with you as they have legislated the Westborough Church to 100 yards away from any military funeral.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

No


I don't see any connection between the rest of your post and this statement. For completely different reasons, I see both Church and State crossing that line.

Obama repealed the stem cell law that Bush had put in place.
Obama said it was to reverse a poor religious based law for a political based law.

Do you not see Bush usurping your secular vote for a religious agenda?

In the stated where sodomy laws are on the books, do you not see those as pure religious laws being imposed on a secular population?

Regards
DL

 

[alice in chains]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

Look at that first link and opine on if those rules that they work on are effecting those they will fire for getting divorced or just going to bed with the wrong party in their tpursuit of happiness .

If the Church as a corporate entity can be exempt and exceed the discrimination laws that the rest of us must follow, why not other types of corporations.

Can they not also preach hate and enforce their own rules?

Regards
DL

If the church is a private or public corporation, then the rules have been broken and the church's effects are not only of itself, but of state.

They can preach hate but not in a public setting that has direct effect on the state.

The rules are simple and I don't even see where complications could arise. If they do arise, then a rule has been compromised.

 

[Accountable]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

You don't address the vast majority of my post, then ignore the very part you quote.

Obama repealed the stem cell law that Bush had put in place.
Obama said it was to reverse a poor religious based law for a political based law.

Do you not see Bush usurping your secular vote for a religious agenda?

For completely different reasons, I see both Church and State crossing that line.

In the stated where sodomy laws are on the books, do you not see those as pure religious laws being imposed on a secular population?

For completely different reasons, I see both Church and State crossing that line.

 

[Greatest I am]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

If the church is a private or public corporation, then the rules have been broken and the church's effects are not only of itself, but of state.

They can preach hate but not in a public setting that has direct effect on the state.

The rules are simple and I don't even see where complications could arise. If they do arise, then a rule has been compromised.

We are close but I wonder if the state is to enforce the law for corporations, then why would it allow individuals in private to preach hate?

I cannot see the law saying, you will note preach hate or anti-Semitism except in private.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

You don't address the vast majority of my post, then ignore the very part you quote.

I will not bother going back for I have no time but if I ignored most of what you wrote it is likely that I did not have a rebuttal and decided to let it stand.

What is wrong with that?

If there is anything in particular you want me to speak to, just ask.

As to what you replied. Why do you keep reprinting this ""For completely different reasons, ""
Without ever showing the reason. It is an uninformative statement without meaning.

Regards
DL

 

[alice in chains]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

We are close but I wonder if the state is to enforce the law for corporations, then why would it allow individuals in private to preach hate?

I cannot see the law saying, you will note preach hate or anti-Semitism except in private.

Regards
DL

Because the effect of public corporations have effects past that individual entity. If a church keeps its BIASED influence to itself, then the rules have been followed...of course corporations need guidelines, too, of course. Ones that fit it's particular circumstance and influences.

 

[Greatest I am]

Re: Does the Church have the right to discriminate over and above the state standards

Because the effect of public corporations have effects past that individual entity. If a church keeps its BIASED influence to itself, then the rules have been followed...of course corporations need guidelines, too, of course. Ones that fit it's particular circumstance and influences.

Be you a private individual of a multi-national corporation. if you speak you can be heard and damage can come from what you say.

In this sense, we are all equal.

Regards
DL