Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?

[Greatest I am]

Greatest I am
The way you are so consumed by religion and yet so seemingly against Christianity ( I could be wrong)
This the common approach for someone who wants to influence people to change their religion.
If you just simply wanted people to give it up you would not be so consumed by it.

There are many possibilities. For instance if you were pushed really hard with a religion only to be sinned against by the people who are pushing it on you.
It would make you run for the hills and bring anyone you can with you.

Like I said this could be just all not true, it would seem like you have an agenda.

I do. We discuss this straw man after I get your answer on post 42.

Or is this deflection your answer. Did you not like your answer because it did not fit your dogma?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

And again..show me where he receives pleasure at creating evil
You have only responded with a lawmaker is unhappy when having to make new rules...this actually shows an unhappiness for evil.
So again show me where he receives pleasure from creating evil.
No riddles please

I see you could not find the quote yet refuse to recant.

You want more steps when you have already missed on.

Recant or be seen as hiding behind your straw man.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

You do have a high opinion of your self and an exaggerated view of what you are able to accomplish in this forum. Keep trying.

I know I am on the right track when I have 3 bobbing and weaving and trying to deflect from the topic.

See them run.

It tells you how honest they are in their debates.
Watch all the personal B S that will follow.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

And again..show me where he receives pleasure at creating evil
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No riddles please

Looks like GIA is going to continue ignoring your question.

 

[Stone]

Greatest I am
The way you are so consumed by religion and yet so seemingly against Christianity ( I could be wrong)
This the common approach for someone who wants to influence people to change their religion.
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I do. ..........................

If you were sincere about answering The Man's serious and to topic question, you'd surely have a better dialog going, GIA.
You make claims and use yourself as the authoritative source and let's face it.......you haven't been very believable.
Do you really think many in the forum bought your claim that in 5 or 6 seconds, you became elevated to god-like status with almost infinite wisdom?
Sincerely, I trip you up on your logic so frequently, it's becoming tedious to have to respond to you.
Why not be straight with us and sell your religious pitch rather than continually pitch the hate you have for Christianity?
Tell us why we should bother learning of your gnostic religion.

 

[The Man]

Looks like GIA is going to continue ignoring your question.

Nothing unusual

 

[Tuffdisc]

Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?

Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

This quote indicates that the creation of evil is an ongoing process by God and that he creates evil for his pleasure. This makes sense in that God would not create something that he did not want in the world or that would displease him.

As a Gnostic Christian, I recognize that the concept of God is all myth.

Literal and historic belief did not generally come about till about the years 80. 50 years after the death of Jesus. In fact, Jesus was not declared divine till the Trinity concept was accepted, by the force of Constantine in 380.

Having said this, I recognize why the ancient thinkers would say that God is pleased when he creates evil in the world.

Do you understand how and why God gains pleasure from creating evil and sin?

If not, why do you think God would create evil and sin for his displeasure?

If God does not do or create evil as some think, then who else has the power to create evil?

Regards
DL

But what you don't get, is that evil is created by mankind, not God

 

[Tuffdisc]

Greatest I am
The way you are so consumed by religion and yet so seemingly against Christianity ( I could be wrong)
This the common approach for someone who wants to influence people to change their religion.
If you just simply wanted people to give it up you would not be so consumed by it.

There are many possibilities. For instance if you were pushed really hard with a religion only to be sinned against by the people who are pushing it on you.
It would make you run for the hills and bring anyone you can with you.

Like I said this could be just all not true, it would seem like you have an agenda.

:clap

 

[Stone]

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Why have you forsaken me?
Why do you think God forsook him on the cross?
Because what he was doing was not moral.

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Regards
DL

The more shit you post and I research, the more I realize I've missed important elements of the Bible and relationships.

Psalm 22:1 starts out
" My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? "
The same words Christ spoke on the cross.

That line was written about 1000 years before Christ and at that time crucifixion didn't exist.
Crucifixion was unusually demanding on all of the body and a struggle just to talk at the end as the body failed. From blood loss to dehydration to asphyxiation with all the events leading up to the crucifixon, Christ was in physical distress and long winded speeches were not going to happen.
read the dying process here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion#Cause_of_death

Psalm 22:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm 22&version=KJV

Christ obviously used the first phrase of Psalm 22 to bring to attention his ordeal because his strength was gone and along with it his ability to quote lengthy scripture or a speech.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Psalm 22 described crucifixion before it existed and Christ used it to describe an ordeal he had just forgiven.

GIA posted

Because what he was doing was not moral.

You are the most intellectually dishonest person I have met on the internet, to date.......or the most ignorant.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Yes. It would be terribly wrong.

Why have you forsaken me?
Why do you think God forsook him on the cross?
Because what he was doing was not moral.

If you can get past any prejudice you may have, this person has one of the best explanations that I have heard.

Regards
DL

God did not forsake him, what happened at Easter? Oh right, he rose from the dead. And he was probably quoting from Psalm 22 which was describing what he was going through. Pfftt, you seem to have to prejudice rather than others on here

You seem to misconstrue everything the Bible says, you don't discuss, if that is your aim, with a normal manner. You continue to insult people on here because you know you don't talk sense

 

[Greatest I am]

And again..show me where he receives pleasure at creating evil
You have only responded with a lawmaker is unhappy when having to make new rules...this actually shows an unhappiness for evil.
So again show me where he receives pleasure from creating evil.
No riddles please

God is, at the end of the day, a law maker. Man is his law following machine.
God creates evil by naming various issues as evil. This evil is written on the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

God, like a doctor who discovers a cure for a disease, would be quite happy if he found an ill in the body of his creation. This is normal taking of pleasure from evil. You would take pleasure in a doctor finding and curing something in your body and having that evil identified and cured. Right?

So does God.
Yes you both would. It would save your life.

The same conditions apply to a law maker God. With a new ill identified, God and society can now work on the problem to try to reduce it's negative impact. Tara. God is a hero again. Myths are grand.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

, you became elevated to god-like status with almost infinite wisdom?.

It seems that both of you here try to put words in my mouth without coming up with the quote when challenged.

Thanks for the honest dialog my friends.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

But what you don't get, is that evil is created by mankind, not God

I agree.

We are what God creates. Mythical God that is.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

God did not forsake him, what happened at Easter? Oh right, he rose from the dead. And he was probably quoting from Psalm 22 which was describing what he was going through. Pfftt, you seem to have to prejudice rather than others on here

You seem to misconstrue everything the Bible says, you don't discuss, if that is your aim, with a normal manner. You continue to insult people on here because you know you don't talk sense

You are right. I do have a prejudice. Against those who advocate human sacrifice and punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Those fools call that good morals.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

It seems that both of you here try to put words in my mouth without coming up with the quote when challenged.

Thanks for the honest dialog my friends.

Regards
DL

You either had apotheosis or you didn't.
apotheosis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotheosis

Apotheosis (from Greek ἀποθέωσις from ἀποθεοῦν, apotheoun "to deify"; in Latin deificatio "making divine") is the glorification of a subject to divine level.

You, the subject, have claimed apotheosis in your infinite arrogance.
And you posted it took about 5 or 6 seconds
Are you claiming you lied? :eek

Well....looky here

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread...osis-is-real&p=1760394&viewfull=1#post1760394

Gnostic thinking is the only way to achieve this wondrous goal and apotheosis or rapprochement to the Godhead is the only way to evolve your God within.

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread...to-save-them&p=2209288&viewfull=1#post2209288

The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread...to-save-them&p=2209288&viewfull=1#post2209288

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness.

 

[Stone]

I take it, GIA, you forgot the forum software here had a search function?



:24:

 

[Stone]

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Thanks for the honest dialog my friends.

Regards
DL

Any time, mr. god-like being of almost infinite wisdom ...........LOL!

 

[Stone]

And again..show me where he receives pleasure at creating evil
...................
No riddles please

Interesting how he keeps avoiding your question.

 

[The Man]

God is, at the end of the day, a law maker. Man is his law following machine.
God creates evil by naming various issues as evil. This evil is written on the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

God, like a doctor who discovers a cure for a disease, would be quite happy if he found an ill in the body of his creation. This is normal taking of pleasure from evil. You would take pleasure in a doctor finding and curing something in your body and having that evil identified and cured. Right?

So does God.
Yes you both would. It would save your life.

The same conditions apply to a law maker God. With a new ill identified, God and society can now work on the problem to try to reduce it's negative impact. Tara. God is a hero again. Myths are grand.

Regards
DL

God, like a doctor who discovers a cure for a disease, would be quite happy if he found an ill in the body of his creation.

Doesnt follow...if he{God} created it there is no finding it later..no surprises so to say..../Note\... this is not my opinion only a rebuttal to your logic
But yet you say he{god} is happy when a cure is found
You again fail to show how evilness brings god pleasure and have only shown pleasure being given by a cure of an ill body

 

[The Man]

Also I would like to add
If you do not believe the scriptures ...then how can you use a scripture to say god receives pleasure by the creation of evil?
Or do you believe the scriptures?