ProjectMayhem
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You should have seen this one coming, and here it is. Do you believe in a higher power? If so, who or what do you believe in, and why?
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AtlanticBlue99
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yes, but i am not affiliated with organized religion itself. i was raised a methodist and baptised, but i quit attending church at about age 10 and it isnt that i lost faith, but the pressure of having to go was let off my shoulders so i wasnt made to go and i could make my own decisions.
church was always boring and organized congregations were not my thing, but the bible says to worship in a fellowship (congregation), but i dont know how far you can take religion. i do believe in a higher power of some sort that had to kick off the laws of the universe or initiate something, because currently, all of the laws of physics, even quantum mechanics breaks down when we take it back to the moments before the "big bang". so someone or something initiated something at some time, and that is the power i call god
church was always boring and organized congregations were not my thing, but the bible says to worship in a fellowship (congregation), but i dont know how far you can take religion. i do believe in a higher power of some sort that had to kick off the laws of the universe or initiate something, because currently, all of the laws of physics, even quantum mechanics breaks down when we take it back to the moments before the "big bang". so someone or something initiated something at some time, and that is the power i call god
i believe in a higher power, what I don't agree with is the way the church is run. I disagree with the hypocracy it creates, and the judgement they often put upon people. It's too late to jump into this now, maybe tomorrow ill post some more.
Yes and No. I believe that both religion and science's arguments for creation are both fundamentally flawed. Religion can't say where God came from. Science can't say where the stuff involved with the Big Bang came from. Until one of those questions is answered, I will continue to not care. Since I don't believe either one of those will be answered, then I will most likely continue not caring forever. Cynical, yes. But if there is a God, and he gave us free will, then he must want people like me around too.
AtlanticBlue99
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and people like BTK and serial rapists. i mean, hell, if someone believes in calvanist predestination but deems BTK to hell, how the hell would that person accept calvinism if he were BTK?
i mean, religion is very flawed, especially the far out extremes of anti-modernization of muslims and the money-hungry catholics. im not trying to attack the named religions, but i am making a point that religion is very untrue to itself, currupt, and scandalous as hell when it comes to being tax exempt. why do you think we have so many damn religions? what about the new ones- unificationism, heavens gate, etc. where a few groups of poeple get together and for a cult following for erotic and other pleasures while maintaining tax exemption?
that is why i dont follow organized religion, i dont trust the sytem- metsys eht kcuf my friends, metsys eht kcuf
i mean, religion is very flawed, especially the far out extremes of anti-modernization of muslims and the money-hungry catholics. im not trying to attack the named religions, but i am making a point that religion is very untrue to itself, currupt, and scandalous as hell when it comes to being tax exempt. why do you think we have so many damn religions? what about the new ones- unificationism, heavens gate, etc. where a few groups of poeple get together and for a cult following for erotic and other pleasures while maintaining tax exemption?
that is why i dont follow organized religion, i dont trust the sytem- metsys eht kcuf my friends, metsys eht kcuf
Personally I don't believe in a god - although I do love some of the early religions where there was a god for everything.
One thing that I do find a little hard to understand is that so many people find it hard to believe that over 3 billion years ago some very simple chemicals were thrown together in such a way that their properties worked together & eventually led to simple reproductive cells & then to cells that worked together (life), & yet find it so easy to believe that a one-off super being suddenly formed in a complete void where all he/she/it wanted top do was to create a universe & populate it.
Allan
One thing that I do find a little hard to understand is that so many people find it hard to believe that over 3 billion years ago some very simple chemicals were thrown together in such a way that their properties worked together & eventually led to simple reproductive cells & then to cells that worked together (life), & yet find it so easy to believe that a one-off super being suddenly formed in a complete void where all he/she/it wanted top do was to create a universe & populate it.
Allan
well, since this question was asked, here we go 
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yes and no.
yes because there seems to be too much attention to details that it seems impossible to come around just from a "big bang"
no because there seems to be too little attention to details regarding creationism. ( creationism in terms of protestant ideals )
first off, we have the ability to think creatively, which, in and of itself, can be good or bad.... why? if the higher deity, if you will, wants us to serve/worship him/her/them, why would he/she/they give us "free will"?
doesnt add up.
second, in terms of creationism itself, where did this deity come from? how did he/she/they get here? what is this deity's purpose now, since creation is finished?
third, if the law of the conservation of mass is true, then that means everything existed before we know it now, but maybe not necessarily as it is now. maybe this is the "reincarnation" that some religious groups refer to. :dunno
fourth, if such above is true, what existed before us? why did it change to how it is now? and what will it be in the future?
:yes and no.
yes because there seems to be too much attention to details that it seems impossible to come around just from a "big bang"
no because there seems to be too little attention to details regarding creationism. ( creationism in terms of protestant ideals )
first off, we have the ability to think creatively, which, in and of itself, can be good or bad.... why? if the higher deity, if you will, wants us to serve/worship him/her/them, why would he/she/they give us "free will"?
doesnt add up.
second, in terms of creationism itself, where did this deity come from? how did he/she/they get here? what is this deity's purpose now, since creation is finished?
third, if the law of the conservation of mass is true, then that means everything existed before we know it now, but maybe not necessarily as it is now. maybe this is the "reincarnation" that some religious groups refer to. :dunno
fourth, if such above is true, what existed before us? why did it change to how it is now? and what will it be in the future?
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If there is a God, I believe he likes to fuck with people. Why did he put a forbidden tree in Paradise? He wanted to fuck Man over, he must have known what would happen. Ever here the story of Job? God let Satan tempt him to see if he would lose faith. Job lost his home, crops, wife and kids for loving God. If that's the reward for faith, God can kiss my ass.
lemon said:well, since this question was asked, here we go
yes and no.
yes because there seems to be too much attention to details that it seems impossible to come around just from a "big bang"
no because there seems to be too little attention to details regarding creationism. ( creationism in terms of protestant ideals )
first off, we have the ability to think creatively, which, in and of itself, can be good or bad.... why? if the higher deity, if you will, wants us to serve/worship him/her/them, why would he/she/they give us "free will"?
doesnt add up.
second, in terms of creationism itself, where did this deity come from? how did he/she/they get here? what is this deity's purpose now, since creation is finished?
third, if the law of the conservation of mass is true, then that means everything existed before we know it now, but maybe not necessarily as it is now. maybe this is the "reincarnation" that some religious groups refer to. :dunno
fourth, if such above is true, what existed before us? why did it change to how it is now? and what will it be in the future?
If there is a God, I believe he likes to fuck with people. Why did he put a forbidden tree in Paradise? He wanted to fuck Man over, he must have known what would happen. Ever here the story of Job? God let Satan tempt him to see if he would lose faith. Job lost his home, crops, wife and kids for loving God. If that's the reward for faith, God can kiss my ass.
Answer yes to a higher power, a big no to any of the religons out there, i've studied most of the major ones catholism, islam, judeaism, hindu and buddism, the only one i found that doesn't seem to fuck with the others is buddism....not too mention all 3 major ones came about around 2000 years ago in the same area (Jerusalem/middle east) and we KNOW that the human race as it is now is atleast 10 000 years older than that, hell look at the pyramids, some were build like 7000 years ago to gods no one really worships anymore, not too mention the greek, norse, roman and a litany of others....so until god (used in a general sense) comes down and can prove to me he's god, which according to the bible is impossible since no man can know god, i'll just stay agnostic
TheOriginalJames
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Yep. God, Jesus, Holy Ghost.
Do I go to church? No.
Religion = good
organized religion = bad
Do I go to church? No.
Religion = good
organized religion = bad
TheOriginalJames
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Dude! You've explained that so much better than I ever could. I feel the same way... except I do believe in God. I don't want to say "no he doesn't exist until I see proof." I believe he exists and will show us he does someday.
Phreaked said:
Dude! You've explained that so much better than I ever could. I feel the same way... except I do believe in God. I don't want to say "no he doesn't exist until I see proof." I believe he exists and will show us he does someday.
UncleBacon
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I'm agnostic...I believe there could be something but I would like proof kind of like the female orgasm does it really exist? j/k I know it does(female orgasm that is).
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I wasnt saying i dont believe in god, just not one affiliated with any major religion, after looking at alot them i dont think any of them got it quite right. The term i guess is im agnostic, not atheist.
As for showing himself i dont think that''ll happen for a long time and probably not in anyway we can comprehend at this point in time. We dont even undersatnd ourselves let alone the creator of the universe/exisitance.
Religion isnt a bad thing it has been one of the great civilizing agents in our history. The problem comes when one of them decides they're right and all else are wrong and then pursecute the others and visa-versa. The city of jerusalem has been controled by the 3 major ones back and forth so many times that mosques have been churches have been synegogs(sp?)....and invaribaly the ones that controled it dominated/persecuted the others, there was a "cease fire" at some point but it was eventually broken, by whom im not sure but thats inconsequential.
Orgainized religion for the most part has run amoke, or well picked up in the fundamentalist/fanatisist idealsup, lately. There was a REALLY GOOD REASON why there is a seaparation of chuch and state ITS A BAD IDEA!!! Sooooo much history has proven that, even if the entire country is of the same religion there's always varying degree's of religious fundamentalism or for lack of a better word corruption. I really think the western countries came to realize that there such a powerful tool in religion, a'la inciting the masses, that it was deemed too prone to corruption and mass abuse that they decided to separate the 2, government of policy and worship are such powerful entities on their own and power always seems to lead to corruption in one way or the other, i'd hate to see what would happen to the world if there was the same calusion between church and state nowadays
oh and the bible bit was more of a crack at its mythos then aything else, sorry but catholism and i have a particular ire
2000Si said:
I wasnt saying i dont believe in god, just not one affiliated with any major religion, after looking at alot them i dont think any of them got it quite right. The term i guess is im agnostic, not atheist.
As for showing himself i dont think that''ll happen for a long time and probably not in anyway we can comprehend at this point in time. We dont even undersatnd ourselves let alone the creator of the universe/exisitance.
Religion isnt a bad thing it has been one of the great civilizing agents in our history. The problem comes when one of them decides they're right and all else are wrong and then pursecute the others and visa-versa. The city of jerusalem has been controled by the 3 major ones back and forth so many times that mosques have been churches have been synegogs(sp?)....and invaribaly the ones that controled it dominated/persecuted the others, there was a "cease fire" at some point but it was eventually broken, by whom im not sure but thats inconsequential.
Orgainized religion for the most part has run amoke, or well picked up in the fundamentalist/fanatisist idealsup, lately. There was a REALLY GOOD REASON why there is a seaparation of chuch and state ITS A BAD IDEA!!! Sooooo much history has proven that, even if the entire country is of the same religion there's always varying degree's of religious fundamentalism or for lack of a better word corruption. I really think the western countries came to realize that there such a powerful tool in religion, a'la inciting the masses, that it was deemed too prone to corruption and mass abuse that they decided to separate the 2, government of policy and worship are such powerful entities on their own and power always seems to lead to corruption in one way or the other, i'd hate to see what would happen to the world if there was the same calusion between church and state nowadays
oh and the bible bit was more of a crack at its mythos then aything else, sorry but catholism and i have a particular ire
Springsteen
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I believe in the possibility of a higher power, but I believe humans are nowhere near advanced enough to be able to grasp the concept of something that could create potentially whole universes. All our ideas about God and what that entails are probably completely wrong as far as I'm concerned, but I think we have no way of knowing either way.
The best label I ever found for it is Apathetic Agnostic. It suits me down to the ground.
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I'm actually ordained as a Reverend of the Church of the Apathetic Agnostic
The best label I ever found for it is Apathetic Agnostic. It suits me down to the ground.
http://www.uctaa.net/ourchurch/intro.html
I'm actually ordained as a Reverend of the Church of the Apathetic Agnostic
KimmyCharmeleon
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I don't believe in anything supernatural.
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