Did religions create science to further their Gods?

[mazHur]

I think religion and state have been one and the same for most of human history. They should be kept separate. We finally got it right!
.

Are you sure religion is de facto separate from religion?? In many cases religion seems to overshadow some acts
of the state and its people to more or less degree..

Even the communists, socialists, Budhists and shintoists believe in a religion of a Supreme Being....

 

[mazHur]

Religions didn't create it no. I don't see how a religious person could create it without having to put their beliefs aside.

I think religion does not prevent men from inquiry into Nature's secrets. Darwin is a proof.

 

[BornReady]

Are you sure religion is de facto separate from religion?? In many cases religion seems to overshadow some acts
of the state and its people to more or less degree..

Even the communists, socialists, Budhists and shintoists believe in a religion of a Supreme Being....

I was referring to the separation of church and state in America. And I think, at least in practice if not constitutionally, most European nations have separation of church and state too.

I think religion does not prevent men from inquiry into Nature's secrets. Darwin is a proof.

Darwin isn't the best example since he gave up his religion. But I agree some scientists are religious. Although the majority are not.

 

[mazHur]

I was referring to the separation of church and state in America. And I think, at least in practice if not constitutionally, most European nations have separation of church and state too.

Oh, yes..but still certain religions are governed by State laws...previously State laws were governed by religion

 

[TommyTooter]

I agree.

In marketing, a need is usually filled or created in order to be filled.
Science would have filled a need of either religion or the state.

Who was first to have the need?

I think it was religion thus religion gave birth to science.

Regards
DL

are you sure science didn't invent religion to cover their asses?

 

[TommyTooter]

I was referring to the separation of church and state in America. And I think, at least in practice if not constitutionally, most European nations have separation of church and state too.



Darwin isn't the best example since he gave up his religion. But I agree some scientists are religious. Although the majority are not.

with all due respect, born ready: that kind of an assertion works with people who don't have much academic experience beyond getting what they needed to get from however much schooling they wanted to endure and then got gone.

i'm not one of those kind of people and i'm afraid i'm going to have to respectfully ask you to show some proof for that.

if you will be so kind as to produce some documentation to support that assertion, i think i know where to find some material to convince you that you might be mistaken about the actual proportion of religious scientists, of which i am one.


for any of you youngsters here who like to disagree with this obviously erudite and learned person, that's how it's done, not ROFLMAO! you dumbass! you are so full of shit your eyes are brown!

 

[mazHur]

an observation............
''Scientists are simply observers and explainers... they never claimed to
have invented the laws of nature... Loud mouths like Dawkins have done a
great disservice to science with what limited they have the
knowledge...
Eventually, everything will be explained... but it will take time.''

 

[BornReady]

if you will be so kind as to produce some documentation to support that assertion, i think i know where to find some material to convince you that you might be mistaken about the actual proportion of religious scientists, of which i am one.

I wasn't aware anyone today even questioned that most scientists don't believe in God. Anyway, I spent a few minutes on Google and found these links. Demographics of Atheism references a 1916 study that showed 70% of biologists did not believe in God and 58% of all scientists did not believe. Leading Scientists Still Reject God shows that the trend among scientists has been toward disbelief. In 1914 53% of scientists didn't believe in God, increasing to 68% in 1933, and 72% in 1998.

There are many intelligent scientists who do believe in God especially in the USA. Btw, what is your field of science?

 

[Greatest I am]

I think religion and state have been one and the same for most of human history. They should be kept separate. We finally got it right!

Necessity is the mother of invention. But I think even if science served no practical purpose, there would still be those driven to it out of a desire, even passion, to understand.

Yes. It seems that we like to learn instinctively.

That seems to be why Christianity tried to keep us stupid even in the garden.
Christians think they have to fight what God gave them and be ashamed of who they are.
Those priests have one hell of a guilt trip that they sell.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I think religion does not prevent men from inquiry into Nature's secrets. Darwin is a proof.

Not any more now that the Church does not control politics the way they did.
Thank God for that.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

are you sure science didn't invent religion to cover their asses?

You might know more about that than I.

Regards
DL

 

[TommyTooter]

You might know more about that than I.

Regards
DL

if so, not much.

there is some indication of some of that in a book called 'initiation' by elisabeth haich, a 20 th century swiss yoga teacher who claimed to have been an egyptian princess who fell from grace and the book is the story of the growth of her spirit through several incarnations.

in it she spoke of technologies for weather control (nile flooding) and such that the priests did using certain tools that were described later as the ankh, staff, breastplate and ark and that the moses liberation thing was about rescuing those tools from the deteriorating priesthood before their misuse of the tools led to another flood or worse.

 

[Greatest I am]

if so, not much.

there is some indication of some of that in a book called 'initiation' by elisabeth haich, a 20 th century swiss yoga teacher who claimed to have been an egyptian princess who fell from grace and the book is the story of the growth of her spirit through several incarnations.

in it she spoke of technologies for weather control (nile flooding) and such that the priests did using certain tools that were described later as the ankh, staff, breastplate and ark and that the moses liberation thing was about rescuing those tools from the deteriorating priesthood before their misuse of the tools led to another flood or worse.

Strange how in a room full of believers in reincarnation, one finds so much ex royalty and others who claim to have been the same as who others claim to have been.

5 Lincolns, 7 Cleopatras, 9 Jesus', 12 napoleons etc.

Regards
DL

 

[TommyTooter]

Strange how in a room full of believers in reincarnation, one finds so much ex royalty and others who claim to have been the same as who others claim to have been.

5 Lincolns, 7 Cleopatras, 9 Jesus', 12 napoleons etc.

Regards
DL

did you read what i wrote or is this peculiar musing for a different reason?

i was citing a book, not talking about myself.

 

[Greatest I am]

did you read what i wrote or is this peculiar musing for a different reason?

I was citing a book, not talking about myself.

Most who site opinions are usually in agreement with them.
I was just pointing out one of the oddities of a group of reincarnationists to show my position on the issue.

Regards
DL

 

[BornReady]

Strange how in a room full of believers in reincarnation, one finds so much ex royalty and others who claim to have been the same as who others claim to have been.

lol I never considered that before. They can't all be right.

Even if reincarnation were true it wouldn't make any difference to me. If I can't remember this life when I die then I might as well be dead. Whatever part of me that survived wouldn't be me.

 

[mazHur]

Once they were gone
None came back
to tell what befell them?
How they fared
in the hereafter
did they see God
and meet him??
Were their houris
in paradise,
were there sinners
screaming in the blitz
for their lives??
How many were there
in each department,
how many angels did they meet??
To cut short
what did they do there??
Did they enjoy the excursion
or just wasted their time??
Was God the same which
men assembled from different deities?
Were prophets also there
and the saints and holy men??
Did God ask them why sinners
remained sinners and not turned
into the pious by them, their teachings?
Was there someone from the Land of Buddha
or Buddha himself sending back
adjudged dead back to earth
as princes or monkeys or swines?
I don't know anything about this
I never saw anyone coming back
to this earth after he went forever!
I am still wondering
What will befall me when i died?
Never mind, until that time comes
I will keep enjoying this world
and it's sweetnesses!!
Maz

 

[Greatest I am]

lol I never considered that before. They can't all be right.

Even if reincarnation were true it wouldn't make any difference to me. If I can't remember this life when I die then I might as well be dead. Whatever part of me that survived wouldn't be me.

Quite true.

Regards
DL

 

[TommyTooter]

Most who site opinions are usually in agreement with them.
I was just pointing out one of the oddities of a group of reincarnationists to show my position on the issue.

Regards
DL

in most cases, i suppose that would tend to be true. the best awareness available to myself is that it can happen, but that it's never happened to my own spirit, which for all intents and purposes is getting it's first run through the material plane ever.

i'm shooting for the thousand year plan in this incarnation and am betting on the god crowd.

happy day

peace

 

[Minor Axis]

Once they were gone
None came back
to tell what befell them?
How they fared
in the hereafter
did they see God
and meet him??
Were their houris
in paradise,
were there sinners
screaming in the blitz
for their lives??
How many were there
in each department,
how many angels did they meet??
To cut short
what did they do there??
Did they enjoy the excursion
or just wasted their time??
Was God the same which
men assembled from different deities?
Were prophets also there
and the saints and holy men??
Did God ask them why sinners
remained sinners and not turned
into the pious by them, their teachings?
Was there someone from the Land of Buddha
or Buddha himself sending back
adjudged dead back to earth
as princes or monkeys or swines?
I don't know anything about this
I never saw anyone coming back
to this earth after he went forever!
I am still wondering
What will befall me when i died?
Never mind, until that time comes
I will keep enjoying this world
and it's sweetnesses!!
Maz

Lots of questions, no answers for what happens after death, just make the best of this life.
Not bad coming from a theist.