Did religions create science to further their Gods?

[Greatest I am]

Did religions create science to further their Gods?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrI1FsH4UH8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbW_xKRBt_M&feature=related

After a bit of research on how religions began and knowing that what were relatively small temples in the beginning, almost what we would call house churches today, I wondered how and why they became popular or won converts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2h4KueeElo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMXHL2cRNzw&feature=related

Add these prophets and God’s to the Gnostic mystery schools and you get an idea of all the competition. Was it just between magicians and scientists with a bit of theology thrown in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnvEHObMMH4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_meC_o_IDs&feature=related

Science would have been the tool to fool people into thinking that magic was being done. Everything from fire walking to levitation and mysteriously crying and moving statues.
God then would have been man made even as Gnostics of various religions were pushing for a God within as opposed to the God without pushed by the Churches who were more interested in locking in their converts to their thinking and that their hierarchy were required as the pathway to God.

Gnostics on the other hand said that all had a direct path to God and that Churches and priests were not necessary. Could they have been the true shaman of that day?
Gnostics believed more as Joseph Campbell did and pushed for personal growth an apotheosis by confronting God and mastering of ones self.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

Add that to this. Wait till minute 5 + for the good stuff on myths and ignore the fear mongering of the LHC. It just happens that I could not find this work on it’s own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2StRb3F0j6k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2Y6tJGnww

These show just how religions began and how they differed from the religious beliefs we hold today.
It was all myths from mostly plagiarized Egyptian sources.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84m5k_2007doc-zone-pagan-christ-1-of-3_news

If I am lucky, after viewing all of this information, you will conclude as I do that---

Religions, other than the Gnostic based ones are pure myth.
That religions may have been the first to push science forward to help perpetuate it’s myths, through magic.
That the state likely took over this science to further it’s war efforts.
That Gnosticism, defined as basically the questioning of all beliefs, can lead to apotheosis or a rapprochement to the Godhead via knowledge and that this is the only way to truly have that personal relationship to God that all religionists seek.
It just happens to not be the mythical Bible God.

What are your thoughts?

Regards
DL

 

[darkangel]

Sorry but I don't feel like watching 70 minutes of video. What is the topic? :unsure:

 

[skyblue]

war created science.....the better machines you had the more wars you won

 

[Dana]

War nor religion created science... I have to wonder the thought process of some of you... Science has been around since man invented his first contraption.

 

[Tuffdisc]

One thing I don't get, he criticises religion, yet he doesn't criticise scientists

 

[mazHur]

it will take ages to watch and read all that's posted by OP!! sorry!

 

[BornReady]

If we define science as observing the natural world and trying to understand and predict it then I think curiosity created science. But religion and war have used science to their advantage whenever they could.

 

[dkwrtw]

yes CURIOSITY created science, the first time man sought a solution to a problem he had SCIENCE was born. Man inventing the wheel = SCIENCE, man making clothing out of the fur of an animal = SCIENCE, it's not all robots and death rays people, it started out small just like everything else.

 

[mazHur]

If we define science as observing the natural world and trying to understand and predict it then I think curiosity created science.

But religion and war have used science to their advantage whenever they could.

as if non-religious people haven't put science to their use 'whenever they could'!!

 

[Minor Axis]

Did religions create science to further their Gods?

You need to post more videos with your threads, 7 or 8 is just not enough to get into the subject...

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Religions didn't create it no. I don't see how a religious person could create it without having to put their beliefs aside.

 

[Dana]

you need to post more videos with your threads, 7 or 8 is just not enough to get into the subject...

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[Greatest I am]

war created science.....the better machines you had the more wars you won

Eventually yes. I think that before that, the science studied the heavens and God and shamanism to strengthen the masses to create the armies needed to make war.

Regards
DL

 

[edgray]

SCIENCE, it's not all robots and death rays people, it started out small just like everything else.

But it should be!

Back to the OP - Religion came about because there were aspects of the world limited scientific knowledge of the day couldn't explain. So God's were created to represent unexplained phenomena.

 

[Greatest I am]

War nor religion created science... I have to wonder the thought process of some of you... Science has been around since man invented his first contraption.

That goes without saying.
the question is whether that first contraption was paid for by the state or by the church?
Who had the power in the ancient tribes? The king or the shaman?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

If we define science as observing the natural world and trying to understand and predict it then I think curiosity created science. But religion and war have used science to their advantage whenever they could.

I agree.

In marketing, a need is usually filled or created in order to be filled.
Science would have filled a need of either religion or the state.

Who was first to have the need?

I think it was religion thus religion gave birth to science.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

You need to post more videos with your threads, 7 or 8 is just not enough to get into the subject...

I could not help it.
I had to assume that those who were not captivated by the inventions of the ancients, were too closed mind to go further in questioning the temple and God.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Religions didn't create it no. I don't see how a religious person could create it without having to put their beliefs aside.

Strange view as medicine was likely the first science. The first scientist may have been the shaman or priest.

You cannot have much faith as one of faith would have said use it, not put it aside.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

But it should be!

Back to the OP - Religion came about because there were aspects of the world limited scientific knowledge of the day couldn't explain. So God's were created to represent unexplained phenomena.

As Joseph Campbell indicates, our first God was a Goddess.
Some time later God became a wish list God of the type you describe, yes.

Regards
DL

 

[BornReady]

Science would have filled a need of either religion or the state.

Who was first to have the need?

I think it was religion thus religion gave birth to science.

I think religion and state have been one and the same for most of human history. They should be kept separate. We finally got it right!

Necessity is the mother of invention. But I think even if science served no practical purpose, there would still be those driven to it out of a desire, even passion, to understand.