Did God create Dogs?

[mazHur]

Did God create Dogs?
Here is a link to get you going on your own rung. I think God created everything-in and out of this universe, including dogs. What do you think?



credit:
http://www.gocomics.com/getfuzzy/2014/03/12#mutable_1129367

 

[Stone]

Are you attempting to present an argument against evolutionary theory or trying to deny that the event. evolution. occurred?
Or both? Or just watch and enjoy the atheists and fundamentalists battling it out?

You might find this of interest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

 

[The Man]

Perhaps the Gods will come along soon and be able to give an answer to this.

 

[AUFred]

God created dogs. Cats however came straight from Hell.

 

[mazHur]

Evolution is Science, God is OmniScient.

All scriptures say dogs were also created by God. Can science prove they weren't?

 

[mazHur]

God created dogs. Cats however came straight from Hell.

It seems when God created dogs He had to create Cats as their opposite.
A 'mew' arose from somewhere and Lo! Heaven was filled up with Pussies!
Great creation these pussy cats are, indeed!

 

[Stone]

Evolution is Science, God is OmniScient.

All scriptures say dogs were also created by God. Can science prove they weren't?

Evolution is Science

Evolution is both an event ( past and ongoing)..... and a theory, derived through scientific discovery, to explain the event of evolution.

God is OmniScient

I also believe that in a religious/faith sense.

All scriptures say dogs were also created by God.

Through theistic evolution, I would agree.

Through the instantaneous 'poof magic' of creationism as interpreted by some fundamentalists, no.... as it would defy reality.

An atheist might argue through chance, but chance doesn't explain the creation of existence ( all that exists in our physical reality from matter and energy to the laws of nature that define their relationships )

Can science prove they weren't?

God is beyond the scope of science and there's no scientific methodology to 'poof magic' ( creation science ).
So your question has no answer as it has no significance.



So, again I'll ask:

Are you attempting to present an argument against evolutionary theory or trying to deny that the event, evolution. occurred?
Or both? Or just watch and enjoy the floor show as atheists and fundamentalists battle it out?

 

[Stone]

Perhaps the Gods will come along soon and be able to give an answer to this.

One has claimed ascension to god like status in a 5 second dream and the other seems more a supporter of atheistic socialism from her posts defending Stalin's murder campaign against his own people.

Personally, I question the value of their opinions

 

[griz bear]

yes she did !

 

[mazHur]

Evolution is both an event ( past and ongoing)..... and a theory, derived through scientific discovery, to explain the event of evolution.


I also believe that in a religious/faith sense.


Through theistic evolution, I would agree.

Through the instantaneous 'poof magic' of creationism as interpreted by some fundamentalists, no.... as it would defy reality.

An atheist might argue through chance, but chance doesn't explain the creation of existence ( all that exists in our physical reality from matter and energy to the laws of nature that define their relationships )



God is beyond the scope of science and there's no scientific methodology to 'poof magic' ( creation science ).
So your question has no answer as it has no significance.



So, again I'll ask:

Are you attempting to present an argument against evolutionary theory or trying to deny that the event, evolution. occurred?
Or both? Or just watch and enjoy the floor show as atheists and fundamentalists battle it out?

Evolution cannot explain Creationism whereas Creationism does explain it through manifest signs..(at least some of it). Former is science in progress whereas the latter is a divine manifestation of what we can see in our lives.

 

[Stone]

Evolution cannot explain Creationism whereas Creationism does explain it through manifest signs..(at least some of it). Former is science in progress whereas the latter is a divine manifestation of what we can see in our lives.

Evolution cannot explain Creationism......

Indeed. Evolution only explains the historical progress of the ancient Earth's biosphere from it's early beginnings to it's current complex morphological examples of life.
The origin of life is a study called abiogenesis. Very different topic to evolution/evolutionary science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
The study of the universe and it's origin is called cosmology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmology

Evolution only concerns biological life from the first life to the present forms of life.

whereas Creationism does explain it through manifest signs..(at least some of it)

Creationism is an aspect of religion based upon concepts generated by faith. Not a science nor through the practice of the scientific method. Creationism is generated by religious beliefs.
This is why faith/religious beliefs and science do not conceptually compare well or describe each other.
Creationism contains no scientific methodology. Creation science starts with an 'answer' ( faith based ) and then searches for agreement while ignoring contradictory facts. This is why 'creation science' when presented as a science is often called a lie.

Former is science in progress .....

I don't understand the context of that statement.
Progress in science is to improve the quality of knowledge and understanding of our physical reality.
There is no 'progress' to faith. Faith is cast in stone. What ever your faith is, you can't progress to a better religious belief without breaking what you already claim to be as true ( of faith based issues).
I suspect this is what fundamentalists fear from science and the betterment of man's knowledge base from scientific investigation as literal interpretations of Genesis are found lacking in correctness.

......whereas the latter is a divine manifestation of what we can see in our lives

Latter......you mean 'Creationism' specifically? or faith in general?
And don't you mean it's something you see in your life as you certainly can't speak for everyone.
I don't see creationism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism

Creationism is the belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation, such as in a literal reading of Genesis, rather than by natural processes such as evolution.[

as a divine manifestation in my life at all. It's not of my religion or faith.
If it's in yours, it is of your faith/religious belief, but it's not science.

 

[mazHur]

Did I say 'creationism' was science? No.

I do not know if evolution has progressed to its final stage or is still inchoate. For example, the glass of water you are holding in your hands didn't 'become' a glass on its own.Someone must have made it.
For more examples, watch Muhammad Ali Clay's interview about Faith and Evolution which he gave when he was only 30. He talked sense and I have to agree with him. Regret i don't have the link to his interview so you can google for that on Youtube.

Anyway, thanks for your insightful note.

 

[Stone]

Did I say 'creationism' was science? No.

I do not know if evolution has progressed to its final stage or is still inchoate. For example, the glass of water you are holding in your hands didn't 'become' a glass on its own.Someone must have made it.
For more examples, watch Muhammad Ali Clay's interview about Faith and Evolution which he gave when he was only 30. He talked sense and I have to agree with him. Regret i don't have the link to his interview so you can google for that on Youtube.

Anyway, thanks for your insightful note.

Did I say 'creationism' was science? No.

Thank you for clearing that up.
So......any rejection you have upon evolution and it's theory would obviously be on religious grounds and thus any scientific qualification in that direction, out of bounds in your rejection of evolution? Correct?
For you it's a religious issue?
That I respect

I do not know if evolution has progressed to its final stage or is still inchoate

If creationism is not scientific as you now state, and your interest is in evolution, you should be delving into the scientific ramifications, not invoking divine manifestation and your religious beliefs. Yes? No?

For example, the glass of water you are holding in your hands didn't 'become' a glass on its own.Someone must have made it.

Ah...an example of logic.
It's not a question of who made the glass, that's an issue of who crafted the glass out of raw material.
That's not a creation event. Simply manufacturing.
With evolution, scientifically, it's not about making or crafting life, it's about how and why life changed over time.
Creationism projects a 'poof magic' concept. Instant life as it presently exists.

Anyway, thanks for your insightful note

Thank you

 

[The Man]

Did I say 'creationism' was science? No.

I do not know if evolution has progressed to its final stage or is still inchoate. For example, the glass of water you are holding in your hands didn't 'become' a glass on its own.Someone must have made it.
For more examples, watch Muhammad Ali Clay's interview about Faith and Evolution which he gave when he was only 30. He talked sense and I have to agree with him. Regret i don't have the link to his interview so you can google for that on Youtube.

Anyway, thanks for your insightful note.

Ideally evolution never ends...lets say everything died for whatever reason...evolution has not stopped ...the reason I say this is because if life sprang up in another 10 thousand years the process begins again and becomes part of the very process.
Faith is just that faith...while man may have faith its not tangible.
Which brings the larger question..Neither is love or instincts ...but Imo could be considered part of the process.
So did faith hapoen as a result of evolution...or did evolution begin based on faith which let evolution happen.

 

[The Man]

One has claimed ascension to god like status in a 5 second dream and the other seems more a supporter of atheistic socialism from her posts defending Stalin's murder campaign against his own people.

Personally, I question the value of their opinions

The same god that is supportive of a Russian invasion? .based on ..."why cant Russia invade if America invades"..but claims American invasions are bad.
With that gods logic 2 wrongs do make a right.

 

[mazHur]

Thank you for clearing that up.
So......any rejection you have upon evolution and it's theory would obviously be on religious grounds and thus any scientific qualification in that direction, out of bounds in your rejection of evolution? Correct?
For you it's a religious issue?
That I respect



If creationism is not scientific as you now state, and your interest is in evolution, you should be delving into the scientific ramifications, not invoking divine manifestation and your religious beliefs. Yes? No?



Ah...an example of logic.
It's not a question of who made the glass, that's an issue of who crafted the glass out of raw material.
That's not a creation event. Simply manufacturing.
With evolution, scientifically, it's not about making or crafting life, it's about how and why life changed over time.
Creationism projects a 'poof magic' concept. Instant life as it presently exists.


Thank you

Science did not 'create' raw material for the glass nor dogs were created by science.

Evolution is change. Time does change the face of things but it cannot make a man outa apes, it couldn't.

 

[Stone]

Science did not 'create' raw material for the glass nor dogs were created by science.

Evolution is change. Time does change the face of things but it cannot make a man outa apes, it couldn't.

Evolution is change.

Indeed, in this case, biological change over time.

but it cannot make a man outa apes

Actually, man and ape evolved from a common ancestor which is often referred to as an ape like hominid.
This is derived from evidence (paleontological - fossil records) and is fact, not just theory.
I suspect rejection often goes much further than religious issues and has racial implications at the same time with some people.
Early man's evolution occurred in Africa ( again, evidence exists and thus is fact, not just theory ) and mankind spread from there through out the Earth and acquired distinct genetic traits over long periods of time, what some call race, others call ethnicity, but is a function of evolution, genetic drift.
Modern man not only descended from ape like hominids millions of years ago, more recently descended from mankind out of of Africa. All the diversity of mankind, all the distinct and uniqueness that defines ethnicity, skin color, hair, facial appearance, all the differences that we see as unique.......... All of us, all the people of Earth, are in some way genetically linked to the early man of Africa. And that's even including the new 'boomerang' theories.

From the Smithsonian:
http://humanorigins.si.edu/resources/intro-human-evolution

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

From Behavioral Sciences Department, Palomar College
http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo2/mod_homo_4.htm

So it's easy to see that religious resistance to evolution is merely one factor of rejection and denial.
Racism is another. The fear of an African heritage.


For some, reality is a bitch!

 

[Stone]

Science did not 'create' raw material for the glass nor dogs were created by science.

...................

I wanted to address that comment separately.

Science did not 'create' raw material for the glass......

So?
Why state the obvious as it has some sort of relevance to the discussion about evolution?
Science is a method of studying and in context to your thread, science is a method of studying evolution.

....nor dogs were created by science.

And now you are merely barking nonsense as if it has meaning to a discussion about evolution.

Perhaps reading this will give you a better concept of 'science'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

 

[mazHur]

Science is not only a method of studying change. It can study everything, anything.

If there is no creator there can't be a product. For making a 'product' you ought to start with some raw material. The raw material once shaped into a 'product' may go change and this is all about God, science and evolution. thanks to the divine force which gives science the room to stretch its legs!

And BTW it ain't no nonsense. The topic is God and Dog not evolution.

 

[mazHur]

Mary Roach's latest book Gulp takes a tour of the human digestive system—including flatulence. In the interview she explains some of the scientific research on toots:

"The man who’s done the most work on flatus — and I counted 34 papers on flatus — Michael Levitt at the VA Medical Center in Minneapolis, he was testing a number of products that allegedly remedied noxious flatus — that noxious smell. He was testing pads you can put in your underwear. There’s elasticized underwear; there are pills you can take; there is actually a remedy — there’s something called Devrom, which is an internal deodorant. … However, I spoke to one gastroenterologist [and] I asked him about this and he said, ‘You know, when I get someone who comes in and is complaining about noxious flatus, I tell them: Just get a dog.’ In other words, so you can blame the dog."

Gulp comes out in paperback in April.