Deaf Man Leaves Store and Sets Off Alarm, Security Chokes Him Out

[darkangel]

This is really messed up! I feel for the poor guy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC48VxorshY&feature=related

 

[Codrus]

i smell lawsuit..and i hope they win

 

[darkangel]

i smell lawsuit..and i hope they win

It's going to be a biggie! :nod:

 

[SammyStephens]

Well, for one, the guy did not have that choke sunk in, and it was a blood choke, not an air choke so he would not have died from it, so the "fighting for his life portion was a bit on the over dramatic side. Frankly, the guard needs proper training if he is going to apply certain holds to subdue people. I don't see this as excessive or unreasonable force for a suspected thief. Really were I see this case won or loss is when they were first confronted by security. If they resisted physically than it is likely they wont be anything they can do to security. However, they can win off the basis that the alarm sounded falsely causing this instance to happen. And if the security were the first to get physical than the the deaf guys should really be bringing home some scratch out of a lawsuit. I'd like to see the initial confrontation before I would make any judgments.

 

[itsmeJonB]

thats fucked up I hope the security lose their jobs

 

[darkangel]

They do have a longer version of the video but it doesn't show when he first walked through the alarm. I still think it was excessive force and the guy had no idea what was going on. And in the video he was clearly pointing to his ears trying to tell them he was deaf.

 

[SammyStephens]

thats fucked up I hope the security lose their jobs

Really? Do you know if the deaf guys swung their bags at the security guards when they were first approached? Do you know how many times a security guard approaches someone and they pretend to be deaf. Hell, I did that myself when I was a youngin to try to get out of shit. Not saying that the situation isn't fucked up, but if the guys were guilty would you look at the vid in a different way?

They didn't beat the shit out these guys, he held him down with a poorly executed choke. These guards may deserve to lose their jobs, but I would like to see how this whole thing started before I mess with someone's livelihood.

 

[SammyStephens]

They do have a longer version of the video but it doesn't show when he first walked through the alarm. I still think it was excessive force and the guy had no idea what was going on. And in the video he was clearly pointing to his ears trying to tell them he was deaf.

Blood chokes are not excessive, if he did a five point slam on the pavement, yeah, I will agree.

Do you have a link to the longer version?

 

[darkangel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fRv--C_vao

 

[darkangel]

This is from the guy who taped it....

"This is what I know, The two guys who are deaf were in the Clothing store XXI and apparently they were shopping, Staff must have seen them do something to suspect them of stealing, but that doesn't have any support or facts. Before I started filming. The Big Black dude in Jeans who mighta been a store detective jumps and tackles the large hispanic deaf guy. from there I remembered my new phone and turned on the camera,

There was who looked to be the manager of XXI that said to turn off the camera because they didn't want to get exposed for harassing and dealing with a situation that turned sour.

From there, you get to see the turn of events and then in the aftermath, the sorting out of exactly what happen. From what I saw that you guys can't, the deaf guy in the white shirt was apparently assuring the store with receipts for what he was carrying.

If you guy are better than I at figuring this out or have the facts then PM me and I'll post it in the Description here below. Also if this was a whole misunderstanding, then those deaf people have a case and someone needs to help them. And if you are the ones who were in this situation, then contact a lawyer and have them look at this video. It's proof positive that the Black guy did not know how to restrain you, More over, he was nearly choking you to death by the purplish color you had on your face."

 

[SammyStephens]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fRv--C_vao

Still unconvinced that it was excessive, the guy slid out of those chokes pretty easily. Either way, these guys defiantly have a lawsuit due to failing alarm. Looks like a Fred Meyer and places like that will have security video of the full oredeal. So in the end, everything will be on tape and guilty parties should get what is coming to them. If the deaf guys initiated the confrontation than I am not too sympathetic, if they didn't resist and the security guards pulled that shit, then I 100% agree they should lose their jobs.

 

[SammyStephens]

This is from the guy who taped it....

Well, that is entirely different, if that's the case, I hope the deaf guys get a big freaking stack of cash and the guards need to start getting their resumes ready and possibly serve a lil time. Cause that is assault. No attempt to even try to talk and get the attention? Yeah, fuck these security guards, tackling someone as your initial contact is not procedure anywhere. On the bright side, he'll have pleanty of time to learn how to do that guilloitine choke properly

 

[Zorak]

Blood chokes are not excessive, if he did a five point slam on the pavement, yeah, I will agree.

Do you have a link to the longer version?

What planet do you have to be from where choking is an appropriate way for apprehending any one who sets off a store alarm?

Sorry, but I just don't get that.

 

[darkangel]

Still unconvinced that it was excessive, the guy slid out of those chokes pretty easily. Either way, these guys defiantly have a lawsuit due to failing alarm. Looks like a Fred Meyer and places like that will have security video of the full oredeal. So in the end, everything will be on tape and guilty parties should get what is coming to them. If the deaf guys initiated the confrontation than I am not too sympathetic, if they didn't resist and the security guards pulled that shit, then I 100% agree they should lose their jobs.

Did you read the above post from the guy who took the video? The deaf guys face turned purple! Thats an excessive choke hold. Plus all the while he was trying to show evidence of his receipts. I think the deaf guy has a case and will most likely win in court.

 

[SammyStephens]

What planet do you have to be from where choking is an appropriate way for apprehending any one who sets off a store alarm?

Sorry, but I just don't get that.

If someone resisted, yeah, a blood choke is perfectly acceptable and effective way of subduing someone. All it does is make someone pass out. It's no big deal, I get choked tons of times a week, I know the difference. The person being choked might not know the difference, but if they are resisting, they are really in no harm by the choke itself. An air choke is a different story for the record.

 

[darkangel]

If someone resisted, yeah, a blood choke is perfectly acceptable and effective way of subduing someone. All it does is make someone pass out. It's no big deal, I get choked tons of times a week, I know the difference. The person being choked might not know the difference, but if they are resisting, they are really in no harm by the choke itself. An air choke is a different story for the record.

The thing is that they used that force as a first attempt to catch the guy instead of just asking him to see his receipts. That is no way for guards to act properly. They were outright wrong and there are plenty of witneses to vouge for the deaf guy and the stupidity of the guards.

 

[Francis]

If someone resisted, yeah, a blood choke is perfectly acceptable and effective way of subduing someone. All it does is make someone pass out. It's no big deal, I get choked tons of times a week, I know the difference. The person being choked might not know the difference, but if they are resisting, they are really in no harm by the choke itself. An air choke is a different story for the record.

We can assume you do all your shopping the "grab and dash" method.. :24::24:

 

[SammyStephens]

Did you read the above post from the guy who took the video? The deaf guys face turned purple! Thats an excessive choke hold. Plus all the while he was trying to show evidence of his receipts. I think the deaf guy has a case and will most likely win in court.

Probably out of shape and his blood pressure was up, the guy slid to the side and got out of the choke easily so it was not a tight choke. After that it was a headlock. There was nothing there that I saw that I would not do when I am rough housing with my nephew. The guy will suffer zero physical damage from a choke like that except it maybe hard to swallow food for a day or two. The tackling someone from behind is excessive, a blood choke? nope,

 

[darkangel]

We can assume you do all your shopping the "grab and dash" method.. :24::24:

HA! LOL! Repped! :24:

 

[SammyStephens]

The thing is that they used that force as a first attempt to catch the guy instead of just asking him to see his receipts. That is no way for guards to act properly. They were outright wrong and there are plenty of witneses to vouge for the deaf guy and the stupidity of the guards.

Agree. With the tackle, yes, as I stated before, the guards are in the wrong, you must have missed my post above. I was then asked if I thought a blood choke was excessive force when apprehending a suspect, and my answer is no, if that person resists. I was simply answering that question.

We can assume you do all your shopping the "grab and dash" method.. :24::24:

It's worse, I actually pay $70 a month to get choked two to three times a week